Re: [asa] ESA: Wilkins Ice Shelf under threat

From: Lynn Walker <>
Date: Mon Dec 15 2008 - 13:49:58 EST

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, John Burgeson (ASA member) <> wrote:

"The anit-GW people seem to be largely composed of *Luddites. ...*they have
a following of *simple-minded people* over here who really really believe
their stuff (stronger term here but I refrained from it). ..

"Now a typical denier may call in question any of points 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6.
Since there are still some of these around, among them many on the extreme
right, the young earth crowd, Rush Limbaugh, Fred Singer and even one member
of Congress (Inhofe, Republican from Oklahoma), you may want to check out
their claims. There is little evidence for their positions. ...

"...A comprehensive set of rebuttals to* *Inhofe, Singer, Limbaugh, and
other GW contrarians may be found at...."

On* 12/4/08,* George Murphy <> wrote:

> From :

>>the only opposition to technological change I've heard from him is to
cutting down on use of oil - "Folks, you don't have to change your

It's the *"resistance to change" *attribute that prompted me to call
him a*Luddite
*. It is part and parcel of his conservative (reactionary)
mindset. *jb*
My comment:

*It appears to me as if the proponents of free markets you name above would
be anything but "Luddites". Here are examples of actual Luddites. Now,
I would not hesitate to agree with you that these Luddite followers are

*Luddites, Utopian Socialists and the Class Struggle
*by Eddie Clynes *Marxist Review* No. 39 February 1998

*The Luddite movement was an important stage* in developing the
working-class movement. It was by no means a futile response to capitalist
slavery. ... Courageous, bold and determined as the Luddites were, the
struggle cannot be prosecuted or won without guidance by revolutionary
theory. ....


*Quebec's Commanding HeightsAntitrade protesters push for world socialism,
against freedom.
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 12:01 A.M. EDT

It is easy to misunderstand what was going at the Summit of the Americas in
Quebec City. The thousands of protestors were not concerned citizens
fighting to save the jobs of American steel workers or French farmers. They
were not championing world peace and free health care (although they may be
for both). And while their ebonics-sounding chants ("one two three four, we
don't want free trade no more!") focused on stopping world trade,* their
agenda is more fundamental--they want to end markets and capitalism and
establish global socialism.

They are one part 19th-century Luddites arguing that trade and global
commerc*e (for the Luddites it was machines and the industrial revolution)
will cause *exploitation, unemployment and poverty. And they are one part
20th-century Marxists, justifying *violence (they threw Molotov cocktails at
the police) *and control over markets, governments and privately owned
business in the name of a greater good: a society in which everyone is
equal. The Quebec City protesters prefer a lower standard of living equally
shared to growing prosperity unequally distributed.



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