Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs

From: Iain Strachan <>
Date: Sun Oct 26 2008 - 09:10:55 EDT

I can see that the smart thing to do is to add your name to my trash filter
immediately. I'm not prepared to listen to this kind of bait-and-switch
tactic. The issue was whether on not Obama is a Muslim, and you change the
subject to black liberation theology. This is typical of the way the worst
kind of YEC argues (and note in saying this I am NOT saying you are a YEC
... as you say you have not actually written anything that says you are a
YEC, though you haven't actually said either that you are not.

I have come to realise that the thing I abhor most in life is prejudice -
both racist and homophobic, because I know of the absolute misery it causes.

Consider yourself sent to Coventry.


On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Alexanian, Moorad <>wrote:

> Let us stop this nonsense about Obama. You ask yourself how many years you
> have gone to your church. In addition, how much do you know of what goes on
> from the pulpit while you are not in church? Well Obama went to a church
> for TWENTY YEARS and claims he did not know the sort of messages that were
> delivered from the pulpit while he was not there. Would you yourself make
> such a claim? Have you thought that perhaps his wife and children were
> there while he was absent? Obama's church is based on black liberation
> theology-"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and
> Unapologetically Christian"
> >
> When I lived in Mexico City in the 70's, I was invited by a Christian
> missionary friend of ours to attend a conference where many Christians from
> different countries, especially Latin America, gave prepared speeches. There
> was one from Cuba; BTW, I am Cuban by birth, who presented the Christian
> faith as an appendix of Marxism. They emphasize the social aspect of the
> Christian faith and totally forget the death and resurrection of Jesus---the
> historical event that essentially defines the Christian faith. To the
> amazement of my friend, I stood up and indicated that he was co-opting the
> Christian faith for political reasons. I do not know what made me stand up
> first and speak out, but I did. Let us not be fooled by mere sweet words.
> You are supposed to be smart. Act accordingly.
> Moorad
> ________________________________
> From: Iain Strachan []
> Sent: Sun 10/26/2008 8:13 AM
> To: Alexanian, Moorad
> Cc: John Burgeson (ASA member); George Cooper;
> Subject: Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
> Moorad,
> What Burgy wrote totally negates what you said. How can you possibly be so
> dishonest?? Or do you only read the bits you want to hear and conveniently
> ignore the rest?
> You wrote:
> Those who take Genesis literally ought to be the least of our worries. We
> have a presidential candidate who professes to be a Christian, nonetheless,
> he said in a TV interview, "My Muslim Faith." The anchor George
> Stephanopoulos of ABC subsequently corrected him. I ask you, what Christian
> would ever say that, even by mistake? Imagine the damage to the Christian
> faith if such a person becomes president.
> That is a disgraceful slander on Obama. A further Snopes web page
> gives plenty of evidence of Obama's Christian faith - including pointing
> out that sometime in the mid-80's he made a public profession of faith in a
> church in response to an altar call.
> The post Burgy sent also ended with Obama saying he finds it deeply
> offensive the suggestions coming out of the republican camp that he is not a
> Christian.
> I also find your post and rumour-mongering deeply offensive. Please either
> retract them and admit that you were indulging in deeply un-christian
> behaviour, or expect your name to be added to my trash filter so I don't
> have to read any more of this offensive kind of stuff. You should be
> ashamed of yourself - not least because your vicious and unfounded
> speculations have nothing whatever to do with the dialogue between science
> and Christianity, which is what this list is supposed to be about.
> Iain

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