Re: [asa] Rejoinder 6D From Timaeus – for Iain Strachan, Jon Tandy and Others

From: David Opderbeck <>
Date: Mon Oct 20 2008 - 10:34:05 EDT

Timaeus, there are many things you say in these responses that I agree
with. But, again and again, you assume that "random" must mean "no God
involved." Various people have tried from various angles to show that an
event that appears stochastic to us does not exclude purposeful action by
God -- e.g., the birth of a baby, the casting of lots. Several people have
taken up the question of "causation" and notions such as primary and
secondary causation. I haven't seen you address this at all, except to
imply that TEs are using these ideas to avoid conflict with "prominent
biologists." That's unfair.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Ted Davis <> wrote:

> This latest from Timaeus is evidence that he, too, has a life that can
> interfere with internet posting. :-)
> It has been frustrating to Timaeus, and somewhat also to me, to see some of
> the same old comments about ID on the current thread, "lock-picking tools."
> Culture wars is pervasive, and IMO some ID leaders themselves are partly
> responsible for the fact that many conflate ID ideas with the larger ID
> movement and its ties to forms of creationism.
> Ted
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