Re: [asa] Science proves there's no need for God?

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Wed Oct 08 2008 - 16:13:36 EDT

I'm trying to figure out what James means by "You can't prove that you
exist." Because solipsism cannot be disproved, there can be no proof that
there is a world, including persons, out there. However, whether we take
Augustine's statement that, no matter what is doubted, the doubter cannot
doubt his own existence; or Descartes' /cogito/, the experiencer is faced
with the indubitable evidence of their existence.

As to proof in mathematics, note that it depends absolutely on the axioms
assumed. Some of these are so commonsensical that we do not usually
recognize that they cannot be proved except by reiteration.
Dave (ASA)

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:36:30 -0500 "James Patterson"
<> writes:
> I think this post has been answered well by others, just wanted to
> add my two cents, and is a reinforcement of George's reply. But
> first, to preface, as a scientist I try and stay away from
> absolutes, and try not to use the "P" word: prove, except of course
> in mathematics. You can't prove that you exist. You may be a
> figment, and I may be too. Second, if one could prove that God
> exists, then we as a human race would have no (or at least much
> less) free will to choose.
> James Patterson, Shreveport
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