Re: [asa] Microevolution

From: Gregory Arago <>
Date: Sat Sep 20 2008 - 05:22:51 EDT

The discussion over 'kind' is a rather important one (though rarely discussed and instead largely assumed) in the human-social sciences as far as the project of human-social science is based on the uniqueness of human beings in the animal kingdom. One doesn't, after all, do a sociology of kangaroos or a political economy of jaguars! This is where the pressure of 'being scientific' is sometimes over-whelming; e.g. the fields of socio-biology and evolutionary psychology appropriating terms from human social thought, dictating to them as real scientists speaking to softies and blurring the distinction between human beings and (other) animals.
This is what I find challenging in what Jon's thread has now approached, the idea that "it would seem not to be a special inherent and inherited biological characteristic that sets us apart as having the "image of God"." 
If it is not an 'inherited biological characteristic that sets us apart as having the 'image of God'," but rather a spiritual (i.e. not a 'natural') characteristic, then doesn't this provide grounds for saying that human beings are a separate (or unique or special) kingdom?
There is a proposal for viewing human beings as a sixth kingdom, symbolia:

I'd be glad to hear, perhaps in this or another thread, of anyone's familiarity with this perspective and any comments about it. Such a move would seem to give the 'according to kind' approach a new dimension, raising new problems and challenges along the way.

--- On Sat, 9/20/08, D. F. Siemens, Jr. <> wrote:

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Subject: Re: [asa] Microevolution
To: Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU
Received: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 7:25 AM

If you can get over the restriction of "kind" in English usage, with emphasis springing from Creationists, there should be no problem. Genesis 1:11 says that every kind of fruit tree was ordered; v. 12 says that every kind of herb and every kind of fruit tree were brought forth. V. 21 says that every kind of sea creature and every kind of bird were created. Vv. 23f say as much for every sort of land animal according to their divisions. In every case there were a number of entities in the group. Human beings are NOT after their kind. This has nothing to do with reproduction, but with the fact that only one "species" was known. But now we could talk about members of genus /Homo/ after their kind. If you check through the times the phrase is used in the Leviticus and Deuteronomy passages, you'll discover that the noun applied where there was more than one distinguishable entity. For example, "raven" included various black birds, the local members of the
 Corvidae. The term was not used of swine, camels, coneys, hares, etc., which were considered a single class.
Dave (ASA)
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:40:01 -0600 (MDT) gordon brown <Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU> writes:
> > On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Jon Tandy wrote:
> >
> >> b. God created the various "kinds" and told them to reproduce
> "after their
> >> kind", which is taken to mean that there can't be change between
> species.
> >> They continue to reproduce according to how God created them
> originally.
> I have never been able to decide what "after their kind" really
> means. It
> seems to be some sort of idiom, but my problem is finding a meaning
> that
> makes sense in all the instances in which it occurs.
> The only instance in which it is used with respect to reproduction
> is in
> connection with plants producing seed in Genesis 1. With respect to
> animals it is said that God made them after their kind, but no
> mention is
> made of their reproduction. This phrase is also used of the animals
> taken
> on the ark. Finally, it is used in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14
> with
> certain entries in the lists of clean and unclean animals, where it
> may
> mean "and others like it"; at least that is what the translators of
> the
> LXX thought.
> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
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