Re: [asa] (fall) biological evolution and a literal Adam- logically inconsistent?

From: Randy Isaac <randyisaac@comcast.net>
Date: Thu Sep 04 2008 - 08:26:10 EDT

And I too agree. I have long questioned the concept of natural evil but
cannot convince myself that it does not exist at all. Merely that the usual
connection with natural phenomena doesn't work very well--certainly not in
the way Bube uses it.

Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
To: "Keith Miller" <kbmill@ksu.edu>; "AmericanScientificAffiliation
Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [asa] (fall) biological evolution and a literal Adam- logically
inconsistent?

>I have exactly the same problem as Keith and have long had this concern.
>
> It does create an interesting study for geologists trying to work out
> which geological phenomena are evil and which are not.
>
> Consider this over;
> Earthquakes
> turbidity currents
> cross-bedding
> glaciation etc
>
> NT Wright fell into this trap when he suggested that human evil could
> cause tsunamis and that the seasons are the result of the futility imposed
> on creation. If you live in New England think of that during the Fall (and
> not the election)
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Miller" <kbmill@ksu.edu>
> To: "AmericanScientificAffiliation Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [asa] (fall) biological evolution and a literal Adam-
> logically inconsistent?
>
>
>>
>> Randy posted the following quote from Bube:
>>
>>>
>>> "It is precisely in Genesis 1-3 that the Christian finds the biblical
>>> basis for this approach to evil. One of the basic revelations given to
>>> us in these chapters is the emphasis upon the goodness of God's
>>> creation. The creation "as it comes from the hand of God" is good and
>>> free from evil. The evil that we see around us, real moral or natural
>>> evil, is due to man's sin or to natural causes, and is not intrinsic in
>>> the creation purpose of God. Unlike many other major religions,
>>> Christianity rejects the concept that evil finds its ultimate cause in
>>> matter, finiteness, or in individuality. It is not intrinsically
>>> necessary for matter, finiteness or individuality to result in moral
>>> and natural evil. The biblical record tells us that the evil around us
>>> is something outside of, contrary to, different from, and an aberration
>>> on that kind of world which would correspond to the creation purpose of
>>> God.
>>
>> While I fully accept that "the creation 'as it comes from the hand of
>> God' is good and free from evil", I have a problem with the inclusion of
>> "natural evil" in the statement above. The implication is that
>> "natural evil" is somehow independent of God's creative activity.
>> Events such as hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc
>> are part of the dynamic processes through which God is continually
>> active in the creation. They are part of the creative processes that
>> have made the life-sustaining creation that God declared good.
>> Similarly the cycle of life and death that is part and parcel of the web
>> of life on Earth is essential for the sustaining of that life. That
>> cycle of life and death is also explicitly a part of God's upholding of
>> creation (see Psalm 104).
>>
>> Keith
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