Re: [asa] The Science = Atheism Meme

From: Nucacids <nucacids@wowway.com>
Date: Wed Jul 30 2008 - 12:03:03 EDT

Hi Iain,

Yes, that's how I used it. I don't think it has any scientific content. It's just a handy label and easier to type out than 'common public perception.' But I think Greg has an interesting point in that a whole new field of pseudoscience has been inspired by Dawkins. :)

-Mike
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  From: Iain Strachan
  To: j burg
  Cc: Nucacids ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [asa] The Science = Atheism Meme

  Burgy,

  I think the problem with it (as a scientific concept) is that really it doesn't amount to much more than describing a catch-phrase or idea that spreads between people (from mind to mind). Fine to use the word just as a shorthand for that ( idea that catches on), but to pretend it's a scientific concept is a bit weak. Alistair McGrath, who has a great respect for Dawkins's scientific work, is particularly scathing about the concept of a meme.

  Iain

  On 7/30/08, j burg <hossradbourne@gmail.com> wrote:
    I am puzzled. The word "meme" seems to have value as descriptive of
    something real. The fact that Dawkins invented it does not make it of
    no value.

    Or amybe the argument is that "meme" does not refer to something real.
    Of course it is not real in the sense of a physical thing. But it
    seems (to me) to be real in the sense of a concept/influence or
    whatever. As such, it is a useful term; I'm not sure what to use in
    its place to refer to what dawkins is writing about..

    Burgy

    On 7/30/08, Nucacids <nucacids@wowway.com> wrote:
> Hi PvM,
>
>
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> "The confusion that science is atheism is unfortunate but not surprising
> given the state of education and religious indoctrination in this country."
>
>
>
> Indeed. And what also adds to the confusion is the manner in which vocal,
> atheistic scientists preach about science leading to atheism. Ken Miller
> nicely explained this in his first book, Finding Darwin's God.
>
>
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> "However, we should not oversimplify the issue as science is atheism, and
> certainly not by pointing at an atheist who also happens to be a scientist.
> Of course, for some, the idea that science is atheism is comforting."
>
>
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> I'm not oversimplifying any issue when I note that Myers publicity stunt has
> worked to entrench the confusion. Thanks to Myers, thousands of Catholics
> now know one thing - the man who deceptively obtained a Eucharist wafer in
> order to publicly desecrate it is a scientist who hosts the #1 "science
> blog." Are you under the impression that Myers stunt has helped people to
> see the error in the science=atheism equation?
>
>
>
> - Mike
>
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