Re: [asa] Predestined Fame:

From: Vernon Jenkins <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>
Date: Wed Jul 16 2008 - 15:59:10 EDT

Hi Dave,

No, I am unaware of this matter of changed spellings and would appreciate further information. But, anyway, has it any relevance to the current discussion? And what is "Then he modifies this altered recent version." intended to mean?

Thanks,

Vernon

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. F. Siemens, Jr." <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
To: <muzhogg@netspace.net.au>
Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [asa] Predestined Fame:

>
> Murray,
> I fear you give away too much. Vernon is obviously using the modernized
> KJ instead of the inspired original as first published. Then he modifies
> this altered recent version. I wonder if he knows that the spelling of KJ
> was changed?
> Dave (ASA)
>
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:10:25 +1000 Murray Hogg <muzhogg@netspace.net.au>
> writes:
>> Hi Vernon,
>>
>> Yep, I'd agree that discounting "selah" is reasonable and that the
>> remark about the "e" in Shakespeare is tendentious. But, then, I
>> hold to
>> the view that the AV text is not divinely inspired and that its
>> actual
>> wording has no linguistic/numerological significance whatsoever - so
>> I
>> can afford to make such concessions.
>>
>> What I don't agree with is that YOU can make such concessions and
>> still
>> demand that I should see the text of the AV _as actually written_
>> having
>> some scarily amazing level of linguistic/numerological
>> significance.
>>
>> At the end of the day, Vernon, if I allow that your
>> linguistic/numerological arguments are valid, then all they
>> demonstrate
>> is the divine origin of the VJRV (Vernon Jenkins Revised Version)
>> and
>> tell me nothing about the AV _as actually written_.
>>
>> Personally, my two-fold response to your approach is as follows; (1)
>> I
>> reject your linguistic/numerological approach as fundamentally
>> flawed;
>> and (2) I stand by the historical Protestant position regarding our
>>
>> knowledge of the divine origin of the Scriptures, viz: We know
>> Scripture
>> to be the Word of God by the internal witness of the Holy Spirit.
>>
>> To offer an analogy pertinent to the scientific nature of the list,
>> I
>> see your approach as working ONLY if you are allowed to get away
>> with a
>> highly questionable "fudging" of the equations -- a bit like
>> Einstein's
>> addition of a cosmological constant to "fix" the theory of general
>> relativity. Such a constant was required by Einstein's need to
>> demonstrate a point, not because of any truly scientific motive.
>> Like
>> Einstein, I see you as fudging the equations to prove a point which
>>
>> simply can't be proven on the basis of the evidence as it actually
>> exists.
>>
>> (and, yes, I know that the cosmological constant has subsequently
>> been
>> seen as necessary - but the point is that Einstein had no reason for
>> its
>> inclusion, other than to defend a preconceived position)
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Murray Hogg
>> Pastor, East Camberwell Baptist Church, Victoria, Australia
>> Post-Grad Student (MTh), Australian College of Theology
>>
>>
>> Vernon Jenkins wrote:
>> > Hi Murray,
>> >
>> > In my Concise OED I observe that 'selah' is "an exclamation -
>> probably a
>> > musical direction". On this understanding it must stand apart
>> from the
>> > Psalm proper, and discounting it appears to be a reasonable thing
>> to do
>> > - wouldn't you agree?
>> >
>> > Regarding the absence of the terminal 'e' of Shakespeare: this is
>> surely
>> > a clutching at straws; I fail to see that it seriously compromises
>> the
>> > strength of the existing coincidences.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Vernon--
>>
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