Re: [asa] Predestined Fame:

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Tue Jul 15 2008 - 23:01:04 EDT

I fear you give away too much. Vernon is obviously using the modernized
KJ instead of the inspired original as first published. Then he modifies
this altered recent version. I wonder if he knows that the spelling of KJ
was changed?
Dave (ASA)

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:10:25 +1000 Murray Hogg <>
> Hi Vernon,
> Yep, I'd agree that discounting "selah" is reasonable and that the
> remark about the "e" in Shakespeare is tendentious. But, then, I
> hold to
> the view that the AV text is not divinely inspired and that its
> actual
> wording has no linguistic/numerological significance whatsoever - so
> I
> can afford to make such concessions.
> What I don't agree with is that YOU can make such concessions and
> still
> demand that I should see the text of the AV _as actually written_
> having
> some scarily amazing level of linguistic/numerological
> significance.
> At the end of the day, Vernon, if I allow that your
> linguistic/numerological arguments are valid, then all they
> demonstrate
> is the divine origin of the VJRV (Vernon Jenkins Revised Version)
> and
> tell me nothing about the AV _as actually written_.
> Personally, my two-fold response to your approach is as follows; (1)
> I
> reject your linguistic/numerological approach as fundamentally
> flawed;
> and (2) I stand by the historical Protestant position regarding our
> knowledge of the divine origin of the Scriptures, viz: We know
> Scripture
> to be the Word of God by the internal witness of the Holy Spirit.
> To offer an analogy pertinent to the scientific nature of the list,
> I
> see your approach as working ONLY if you are allowed to get away
> with a
> highly questionable "fudging" of the equations -- a bit like
> Einstein's
> addition of a cosmological constant to "fix" the theory of general
> relativity. Such a constant was required by Einstein's need to
> demonstrate a point, not because of any truly scientific motive.
> Like
> Einstein, I see you as fudging the equations to prove a point which
> simply can't be proven on the basis of the evidence as it actually
> exists.
> (and, yes, I know that the cosmological constant has subsequently
> been
> seen as necessary - but the point is that Einstein had no reason for
> its
> inclusion, other than to defend a preconceived position)
> Blessings,
> Murray Hogg
> Pastor, East Camberwell Baptist Church, Victoria, Australia
> Post-Grad Student (MTh), Australian College of Theology
> Vernon Jenkins wrote:
> > Hi Murray,
> >
> > In my Concise OED I observe that 'selah' is "an exclamation -
> probably a
> > musical direction". On this understanding it must stand apart
> from the
> > Psalm proper, and discounting it appears to be a reasonable thing
> to do
> > - wouldn't you agree?
> >
> > Regarding the absence of the terminal 'e' of Shakespeare: this is
> surely
> > a clutching at straws; I fail to see that it seriously compromises
> the
> > strength of the existing coincidences.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Vernon--
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