RE: [asa] Suffering/Predation in the natural order

From: Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu>
Date: Thu Jul 10 2008 - 15:00:22 EDT

George, perhaps only physicists will understand my comment but what you
say sounds very much like the difference between using advanced (future)
or retarded (past) potentials to describe electromagnetic fields, which
is based on time-reversal invariance.

Moorad

 

From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of George Murphy
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:31 PM
To: Ted Davis; asa@calvin.edu; muzhogg@netspace.net.au
Subject: Re: [asa] Suffering/Predation in the natural order

 

I have said here before (& in my PSCF review of Anticipating Omega) that
I think the idea of God's action from the future is very important &
offers possibilities for rethinking a number of theological issues.
It's not clear though that it adds anything radically new to the
problems of suffering & evil. The fact that God creates from the future
doesn't mean that the present is unreal, & evil that takes place now,
natural or moral, is still evil. In addition, the Christian tradition
has always held that in God's final future "All will be well, and all
will be well, and all manner of things will be well" as the Lord told
Lady Julian.

 

I ought to note, in response to someone who spoke of "the argument from
evil," that I am certainly not trying to present any argument for the
non-existence of God when I say that we shouldn't try to sweep natural
evil under the rug. But atheists who do try to make that kind of
argument probably won't be very impressed by the the idea that God
creates from the future. That will be seen as just a variation on the
pie in the sky theme.

 

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/ <http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/>

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ted Davis" <tdavis@messiah.edu <mailto:tdavis@messiah.edu> >

To: <asa@calvin.edu <mailto:asa@calvin.edu> >; <muzhogg@netspace.net.au
<mailto:muzhogg@netspace.net.au> >

Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [asa] Suffering/Predation in the natural order

 

> One of the most helpful responses to this, IMO the most serious
theological
> problem of all (ie, the problem of suffering, or "death before the
fall"),
> is by theologian Robert J Russell, in his new book "Cosmology From
Alpha to
> Omega." It's far too detailed to put briefly here, except to say that
he
> believes (with Polkinghorne, his colleague Ted Peters, and others)
that God
> creates from the future, as it were. I've always told my students
that the
> theodicy problem can be put this way: Why didn't God make heaven
now?", and
> Russell's approach is to take that route.
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Cosmology-Alpha-Robert-John-Russell/dp/0800662733
<http://www.amazon.com/Cosmology-Alpha-Robert-John-Russell/dp/0800662733
>
> https://www.episcopalbookstore.com/product.asp_Q_crit_E_3486
<https://www.episcopalbookstore.com/product.asp_Q_crit_E_3486>
>
> Also like Polkinghorne and Peters, Russell unabashedly affirms the
bodily
> resurrection of Jesus--and of ourselves, in the new heaven and earth.
His
> is IMO a fully orthodox theology of creation. Highly recommended.
>
> Ted
>
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