Re: [asa] The Myth of the Rejected ID Paper (science stoppers and OOL)

From: George Murphy <GMURPHY10@neo.rr.com>
Date: Sun Jul 06 2008 - 14:36:25 EDT

A small correction: The Templeton Foundation doesn't promote "religion in science" but dialogue between religion and science - though admittedly the boundary can sometimes be a bit murky.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Blinne" <rich.blinne@gmail.com>
To: "Murray Hogg" <muzhogg@netspace.net.au>
Cc: "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [asa] The Myth of the Rejected ID Paper (science stoppers and OOL)

>
> On Jul 6, 2008, at 1:24 AM, Murray Hogg wrote:
>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> Sorry, I've been rather intrigued by my discussion with Rich and
>> this got overlooked.
>>
>> I have no real response, except to put the rather puzzled question:
>> how is it that Behe can hold tenure as a professor of biology if he
>> hasn't actually produced any substantial peer reviewed output? Isn't
>> this most unusual? Or have I (we?) missed something?
>
> Michael Behe produced substantial output earlier in his career. He had
> tenure prior to the drop in output. The drop in output exactly
> coincides with the publication of Darwin's Black Box. See the
> following (with a break two years after DBB):
>
> Compare this:
> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=+%22MJ+Behe%22+author%3AMJ+author%3ABehe&as_ylo=&as_yhi=1997&btnG=Search&as_subj=bio
>
> with:
>
> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=+%22MJ+Behe%22+author%3AMJ+author%3ABehe&as_ylo=1998&as_yhi=&btnG=Search&as_subj=bio
>
> Maybe this was a result of persecution since the drop was after DBB
> (although the papers between 1996 and 1997 were mostly a continuation
> of earlier work). Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez also suffered a similar
> drop. TheTempleton Foundation, a non-profit organization that promotes
> religion in science, gave Dr. Gonzalez funding because of his ground-
> breaking work on habitability zones. Instead of funding more of his
> research as the Foundation had intended he wrote his book Privileged
> Planet. Here is a graph of his output:
>
> http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/gg2.jpg
>
> Note that the drop in output occurred two years prior to publication.
> Note also for Gonzalez his research is not really controversial and
> his early work was well received --enough to get him on the cover of
> Scientific American. This is the reason *I* call it a science stopper
> as the ID proponents are distracted from actual research promoting
> their non-peer-reviewed books. Also note that at no time does Dr.
> Gonzalez make an argument from ignorance so that's just a bad
> diagnosis of an undeniable effect. Oh, there was also one key
> difference between Behe and Gonzalez. Behe had the good sense to have
> his output drop AFTER he got tenure.
>
> Rich Blinne
> Member ASA
>
>
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