RE: [asa] Proof of the YEC position

From: Edward J. Hassertt J.D. <>
Date: Sat Jul 05 2008 - 15:29:51 EDT

Evidence for design as yet does not exist, but as Christians we must either

1) Evidence for design will eventually be found
2) Science is inadequate at discovering the true nature of reality, or_
3) There is no designer and Christians are wrong about the existence of God

Which of these would you agree to be true?

If science rules out the possibility of design a priori, it is no longer
science, but dogma.

If on the other hand science rules out the possibility of not finding a
designer, it too is no longer science by dogma.

Both sides of this issue seem to be setting aside science for dogma.

If science is accurate, capable, and working under the right assumptions,
then it will eventually discover evidence of a designer if one exists.

If a designer exists and science cannot discover that, then science is
incapable of truly discovering an accurate telling of reality. It ends up
being pragmatic instead of truth-discovering.

If science if incapable of discovering a designer when one does exist, then
why should we trust the other pronouncements of science as true? If it is
incapable of discovering the true nature of reality, which all we as
Christians know to be true, then what makes us layman able to trust its
other claims about the nature of reality?

If I look at a claim of truth in which the underlying assumptions are that
the method used to discover that truth cannot find the truth of the system
it studies, then there is no reason to trust that claim of truth.

If I were to tell you the cube inside the box on my table is purple because
I put a purple cube in the box. Then I tell you I am color blind. Do you
trust my claim about the color of the cube? Likewise if science tells us
there is no evidence of design and then tells us it is incapable of
discovering evidence of design because of its nature, why would I trust that

So that brings me back to my three options above. If there is a different
option I am missing please let me know.

Edward J. Hassertt, J.D.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of PvM
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 11:14 AM
To: gordon brown
Subject: Re: [asa] Proof of the YEC position

But ID is taking the damage of YEC into the mainstream by providing
the faithful with an impression that real scientific evidence for
design exists. One need but look around the country and see the
foolishness extend from Dover, to Louisiana to the inevitable Texas
department of education's undermining of science.

ID has brought the destructive powers of YEC to the mainstream,
dragging down science education as well as religious faith while
looking foolish throughout the process.

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:22 AM, gordon brown <>
> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, PvM wrote:
>> ID and YEC are doing quite a bit of damage to Christian credibility,
>> something some atheists could only dream about doing themselves.
> How much damage to Christian credibility has ID done that YEC hadn't
> done?
> Maybe since so many people don't know the difference between ID and YEC,
> in the news may reinforce the negative impact of YEC. Also ID may raise
> false expectations for Christians who want it to stamp out evolutionism.
> However these effects pale in comparison with the damage that YEC has
> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
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