Re: [asa] Four myths about I.D.; four myths about T.E.

From: Collin R Brendemuehl <collinb@brendemuehl.net>
Date: Wed Jul 02 2008 - 14:36:19 EDT

That's right.
There has been a growth in the number of determinists.
And as I qualified (acknowledging an error) this is among reformed theologians.

At 01:18 PM 7/2/2008, you wrote:
>Proof by assertion isn't very convincing. I didn't say that there
>were no determinists today but showed that your general claim, "for
>the last 200 years or so,
>much of both theology and naturalism has ended up with a form of
>determinism," is clearly wrong.
>
>FWIW, 2008 is the 250th anniversary of Jonathan Edwards' death.
>
>Shalom
>George
><http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/>http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:collinb@brendemuehl.net>Collin Brendemuehl
>To: <mailto:GMURPHY10@neo.rr.com>George Murphy ; <mailto:asa@calvin.edu>ASA
>Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [asa] Four myths about I.D.; four myths about T.E.
>
>There was Jonathan Edwards long ago.
>There are more today, like John Frame.
>Not outside of reality, but perhaps limited in scope.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: George Murphy [mailto:GMURPHY10@neo.rr.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 12:25 PM
>To: 'asa', 'Collin R Brendemuehl'
>Subject: Re: [asa] Four myths about I.D.; four myths about T.E.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Collin R Brendemuehl"
><<mailto:collinb@brendemuehl.net>collinb@brendemuehl.net>
>To: "asa" <<mailto:asa@calvin.edu>asa@calvin.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [asa] Four myths about I.D.; four myths about T.E.
>
> >
> > I'm not suggesting that all are determinists.
> > All I'm suggesting is that *some* science is heading in the wrong
> direction.
> > It seems a strange coincidence that, for the last 200 years or so,
> > much of both theology and naturalism has ended up with a form of
> determinism.
>In the last 200 years or so mainstream science has come to be seen
>as non-deterministic in a fundamental sense with quantum & chaos
>theories. & tendencies in much of theology have been in the
>direction of recognizing that creation has more freedom than many
>traditional views allowed. This is obviously the case with process
>theology but even those who see themselves as more aligned with
>traditional theologies hold to something like Polkinghorne's "free
>process" argument. So your last sentence seems to have little basis in fact.
>
>Shalom
>George
><http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/>http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/

Sincerely,

Collin Brendemuehl
http://www.brendemuehl.net

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