Re: [asa] New AAAS Statement Decries "Profound Dishonesty" of Intelligent Design Movie

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
Date: Mon Apr 28 2008 - 19:50:22 EDT

I read the transcript of the trial and Judge Jones' opinion. He was right
in his judgment that ID is not science. Then AAAS is talking about
science, not theology, so the miraculous intervention by an outside
designer is not part of science. As a theist, I hold that God ordained
the development of the inorganic and organic universe, but this faith is
outside of anything that anyone can do as a scientist. I wish the
confusion of science and ID would cease.
Dave (ASA)

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:42:49 -0400 "David Opderbeck"
<dopderbeck@gmail.com> writes:
And I'd also note this from the AAAS statement: "Proponents of the
intelligent design
movement believe that an intelligent designer, rather than evolution, is
responsible for key developments in the emergence of life."

So an "intelligent designer" can't have used "evolution" to accomplish
his/her/its design? Isn't this "evolution or God" at the end of the day?

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:40 PM, David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
wrote:

Ok, but the AAAS Statement also includes this:

"We hope lawmakers will follow the course of Judge John Jones III, who
ruled in the Dover, Pa. case that intelligent
design meets none of the tests of a scientific theory and is simply an
updated version of century-old creationist arguments."

Does the AAAS really want Judge Jones' constipated demarcation of
"science" to govern all future discussion of such questions? Is the AAAS
even qualified to opine about this?

And this:

"At a time when the United States faces serious economic challenges, we
cannot risk derailing efforts to provide the best possible science
education for the next generation of problem solvers."

Which is not quite as silly and offensive as equating everyone who
accepts evolution with Nazi stormtroopers, but is definitely a response
in kind. I.e.: anyone who takes any design idea seriously is a
backwards fundie hick.

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Rich Blinne <rich.blinne@gmail.com>
wrote:

Go to the link to also see an embedded video with Francis Collins which
as they say in the Visa commercials, priceless. The video itself predates
Expelled but still is nevertheless on topic.

http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2008/0418expelled.shtml
A new movie released in support of the intelligent design campaign
needlessly drives a wedge between science and religion and insults the
life-affirming work of millions of scientists worldwide, AAAS said in a
statement issued today.
The film, "Expelled," posits that science is unable to explain crucial
gaps in evolution on Earth, and that the intervention of an intelligent
designer was necessary to advance the development of life. The film
claims that scientists ruthlessly suppress such challenges.
The AAAS statement responds that evolution is supported by extensive
evidence, and rejects the movie as a divisive effort to inject
controversial religious ideas into public school science classrooms.

"We were... especially disappointed to learn that the producers of an
intelligent design propaganda movie called 'Expelled' are inappropriately
pitting science against religion," said the statement. "This production
badly misrepresents the scientific community as intolerant of dissent,
when, in fact, respectful disagreement and questioning based on physical
evidence represent the core of the scientific process.
"AAAS further decries the profound dishonesty and lack of civility
demonstrated by this effort. The movie includes interviews with
scientists who report that they were deceived into appearing as part of
such a production, and advance segments [of the film] broadly depict
those who accept evolution as racist and sympathetic to Nazis. Such
generalized insults are untrue and grossly unfair to millions of
scientists in the United States and worldwide who are working to cure
disease, solve hunger, improve national security, and otherwise advance
science to improve the quality of human life."
For more than a decade, AAAS has worked to build a constructive
engagement between science and religion, through its Dialogue on Science,
Ethics, and Religion and other programs. Further, the statement noted,
more than 11,000 Christian leaders in the United States have signed a
letter affirming that evolution does not conflict with religious faith.
The United Church of Christ recently sent out a pastoral letter
expressing a similar position.
Evolution "is based on a diverse and robust body of physical evidence,
from fossilized bones to radiometric measurements of the ages of the
Earth's rocks," the statement says. But the movie, by conveying
misinformation about science and researchers, seeks to force religious
viewpoints into science class--despite court decisions that have struck
down efforts to bring creationism and intelligent design into schools.
"At a time when the United States faces serious economic challenges, we
cannot risk derailing efforts to provide the best possible science
education for the next generation of problem-solvers," the statement
concludes. "Our children deserve no less."
Read the full AAAS statement on the movie "Expelled."

-- 
David W. Opderbeck
Associate Professor of Law
Seton Hall University Law School
Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology 
-- 
David W. Opderbeck
Associate Professor of Law
Seton Hall University Law School
Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology 
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