RE: [asa] Are TE and ID Really That Far Apart?

From: Alexanian, Moorad <>
Date: Fri Apr 25 2008 - 08:42:42 EDT

TE = Darwinian evolution + guidance by God. ID=Design + Intelligence
behind creation. The real issue is if Darwinian evolution is
inconsistent with guidance by God. It is a fine line and I do not know
how people (TE) walk it.


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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:33 AM
To: Gregory Arago; Randy Isaac
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Subject: Re: [asa] Are TE and ID Really That Far Apart?

On Apr 25, 2008, at 12:16 AM, Gregory Arago wrote:

> This may be more difficult to 'prove' that Rich imagines. For every
> TE/EC who posits 'guided evolution' (without saying who the
> designer, oops 'Guider' is), there are (apparently) many, many more
> who argue for no teleology, no guidance of any kind allowed. It
> becomes a linguistic puzzle to unravel the way some people use
> 'random,' 'purposeless,' 'unguided,' 'chance' and other terms in
> their constellation of evolutionary logic. It would be a challenge
> to show how "mainstream, evolutionary theory" is in your favour
> here, but saying this opens the door to proving me wrong, which I
> would welcome.

Name one and cite references of the TE who argues for no purpose or
guidance. While there's debate within the TE position on how it's
guided there is no debate on that it is. It's only a linguistic
puzzle because people outside of our position obfuscate it. This is
precisely why we are so frustrated by ID because they misrepresent our
position and that misrepresentation makes us wonder if people outside
our position also get misrepresented and, hey, what do you know? It
happens there, too. We have already described what we mean by "random"
ad nauseum, so do some research and check our archives, noting
particularly Randy Isaac's letter to Christianity Today.

Rich Blinne
Member ASA


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