Re: [asa] Expelled and ID

From: David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
Date: Thu Apr 24 2008 - 17:55:03 EDT

Dave S. said: So it's OK to present fabrications to a young class?

I respond: I didn't say anything of the sort. The discussion had to do
with the Constitutionality of teaching something about metaphysics.
Assuming it were accurate, there would be nothing unconstitutional about
it. That's all.

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:37 PM, D. F. Siemens, Jr. <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
wrote:

> So it's OK to present fabrications to a young class?
> Dave (ASA)
>
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:19:54 -0400 "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
> writes:
>
> What are you talking about Dave S.? Note my qualification, "if that were
> accurate.."
>
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:13 PM, D. F. Siemens, Jr. <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You're repeating the lie that is foundational in Johnson and ID.
>> Metaphysical naturalism, scientism, materialism and their ilk have ancient
>> roots, although some gained popularity again with the Enlightenment. There
>> is no way that I can be a theist and a metaphysical naturalist. But there
>> are many theists who are methodological naturalists--they have to be both to
>> be scientists.
>> Dave (ASA)
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:56:19 -0400 "David Opderbeck" <
>> dopderbeck@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> <snip>
>> Dave Clounch asks: A third question is, "Should school children be
>> informed of the theological roots of naturalism?"
>> I respond: Not sure what you mean by the "theological roots of
>> naturalism" here -- but if you mean that methodolgical naturalism derives
>> from metaphysical naturalism, if that were accurate, you could probably
>> discuss this in a history class.
>>
>> As your questions illustrate, it is extremely difficult in the public
>> education setting to discuss any issues about religion and science, even at
>> the level of basic presuppositions.
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> David W. Opderbeck
> Associate Professor of Law
> Seton Hall University Law School
> Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology
>
>

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David W. Opderbeck
Associate Professor of Law
Seton Hall University Law School
Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology
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