Re: [asa] Expelled and ID

From: David Opderbeck <>
Date: Thu Apr 24 2008 - 16:19:54 EDT

What are you talking about Dave S.? Note my qualification, "if that were

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:13 PM, D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>

> You're repeating the lie that is foundational in Johnson and ID.
> Metaphysical naturalism, scientism, materialism and their ilk have ancient
> roots, although some gained popularity again with the Enlightenment. There
> is no way that I can be a theist and a metaphysical naturalist. But there
> are many theists who are methodological naturalists--they have to be both to
> be scientists.
> Dave (ASA)
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:56:19 -0400 "David Opderbeck" <>
> writes:
> <snip>
> Dave Clounch asks: A third question is, "Should school children be
> informed of the theological roots of naturalism?"
> I respond: Not sure what you mean by the "theological roots of naturalism"
> here -- but if you mean that methodolgical naturalism derives from
> metaphysical naturalism, if that were accurate, you could probably discuss
> this in a history class.
> As your questions illustrate, it is extremely difficult in the public
> education setting to discuss any issues about religion and science, even at
> the level of basic presuppositions.
> <snip>

David W. Opderbeck
Associate Professor of Law
Seton Hall University Law School
Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology
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