Re: [asa] Expelled and ID

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Thu Apr 24 2008 - 16:13:45 EDT

You're repeating the lie that is foundational in Johnson and ID.
Metaphysical naturalism, scientism, materialism and their ilk have
ancient roots, although some gained popularity again with the
Enlightenment. There is no way that I can be a theist and a metaphysical
naturalist. But there are many theists who are methodological
naturalists--they have to be both to be scientists.
Dave (ASA)

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:56:19 -0400 "David Opderbeck"
<> writes:
Dave Clounch asks: A third question is, "Should school children be
informed of the theological roots of naturalism?"

I respond: Not sure what you mean by the "theological roots of
naturalism" here -- but if you mean that methodolgical naturalism derives
from metaphysical naturalism, if that were accurate, you could probably
discuss this in a history class.

As your questions illustrate, it is extremely difficult in the public
education setting to discuss any issues about religion and science, even
at the level of basic presuppositions.


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