Re: [asa] Expelled and ID

From: Dennis Venema <>
Date: Wed Apr 23 2008 - 20:26:45 EDT

Hmm. I still donšt see your point. Yes, funding, etc can direct research ­
for example, I do work on diabetes / insulin signaling because I am funded
to do so ­ but does that mean you think that I introduce a bias into my
results because of my funding source? Yes, funding can direct the types of
experiments that are done, but the data is still the data if it can be
reproduced ­ the quality of the experiments should not be affected. In cases
where things were skewed/faked for an agenda the deception comes to light
when someone tries to repeat the experiments.


On 4/23/08 5:16 PM, "David Opderbeck" <> wrote:

> At the risk of sounding anti-science, which I don't think I am, I don't see
> how you can gainsay that institutional science is skewed by agendas and
> viewpoints that aren't always objectively scientific. Institutional science
> is driven by funding. Funding is allocated by a relatively small, relatively
> non-diverse segment of both the general public and the scientific community,
> and the mechanisms and procedures of funding are truly accessible only to an
> equally small and non-diverse population.
> Moreover, in some areas, particularly public health and pharmaceuticals,
> funding mechanisms are heavily influenced by intellectual property rights,
> markets, and multinational corporate interests. The data is the data, but the
> question of which data gets developed -- which research programs get funded --
> is heavily influenced by social, cultural and economic factors that may have
> little to do with scientific merit or the broader pursuit of truth.
> (I am not here suggesting that claims of peer review bias against ID advocates
> have merit. That in particular isn't my bailiwick, but I do believe that peer
> review is not as objective as it is often made out to be).

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