RE: [asa] Proposed Revision of Genesis 1-11 in the KJV

From: John Walley <>
Date: Sun Apr 20 2008 - 17:56:29 EDT

And why did God send Jonah to Nineveh to preach repentance then if they
weren't able to be saved?

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Subject: Re: [asa] Proposed Revision of Genesis 1-11 in the KJV

Dick Fischer wrote:

As to your comment: "it's equally obvious that from the start they envision
all of humanity as being included in God's creative & (toward the end,
prophetically) salvific purposes." Well, no George, that is not at all
obvious as it wasn't even obvious to Jesus' disciples. Beyond their own
proselytes I see no evidence in the OT that the Jews themselves believed any
outside the twelve tribes were worthy or eligible for God's kingdom. Only
by contorting the text in Genesis 1 can you get gentiles under the umbrella.
In fact, the NRSV did exactly that.

Granted --the disciples even of Jesus' day (& even in early church after)
found this one a hard one to swallow. But 'no evidence in the OT'!!??
When I'm reading the O.T., I often run across verses that stick out because
of their seeming exceptionality. E.g. --giving your enemy food & water if
he's thirsty---then do the double take when you realize you're reading
Proverbs. So Jesus didn't just invent the concept! So it is with
salvation for the nations, Dick. Just a quick search for the phrase 'all
nations' in my Bible software got 18 hits, 17 of them in the O.T. And some
of those were announcing judgment, of course, but many of them were
announcing the ultimate blessing to 'all nations'. Ps. 86:9 and Isa. 2:2
are two particularly representative examples (pasted in below), but I could
find others by doing a more proper search. Do you write these passages off
as the exceptions that prove the rule? Or do you dispute the translations?
And speaking of the proposed 'rule', what would you cite as the major
passages indicating that other nations are forever excluded from the Kingdom
of God?


Psalms 86:9 All nations you have made will come and worship before you,
Lord. They shall glorify your name.

Isaiah 2:2 It shall happen in the latter days, that the mountain of Yahweh's
house shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be raised
above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.

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