Re: [asa] Expelled and ID

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Sat Apr 19 2008 - 23:34:59 EDT

I think there is one which does so in principle. It's opposite would
justify ID. If we have sequenced the genomes of all the species, or at
least all the species in one kingdom, and figured out exactly how all the
various parts work, if we discover some genes/control sequences/whatever
else comes up that cannot be derived from others earlier in the
evolutionary development, we presumably have evidence that they were
introduced by the deity or some superior power. This is sure evidence for
ID. However, the current indication is that we have sequences in genomes
that simply preserve stuff from the past, which is clear evidence against
ID. Things are too sloppy to be designed, unless the designer intends to
mislead us.

Generally, given the state of human knowledge, proof and falsification
are claims too strong to be supported.
Dave (ASA)

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:46:02 -0500 "skrogh."
<> writes:
Also, can one conceive of a potential observation that would falsify ID?

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From: []On
Behalf Of Dehler, Bernie
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] Expelled and ID

ID is saying it is “science” so it can be more serious. To make it
science, you have to bear on scientific things, such as math (statistics)
and biology. So they are appealing to the hard sciences to bring it into
the scientific realm.
However, they have no scientific hypothesis. “God made it” is not a
hypothesis, since it can’t be tested. By definition, the scientific
method requires a hypothesis that can be tested. You also can’t test
evolution per “origin of life,” but there are other parts of evolution
which are testable… ID has nothing testable. They think by disproving
known naturalistic methods, God is then the default answer—but it isn’t.

From: [] On
Behalf Of Mountainwoman
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: [asa] Expelled and ID
Having just seen Ben Stein's "Expelled," one thought that occurred to me
is the following:
Is Intelligent Design a modern incarnation of the classic teleological
argument for the existence of God and therefore belongs in the philosophy
and/or theology departments of universities rather than in the science
Paul Bruggink (ASA Member)
Clarington, PA

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