Re: [asa] Who do Adam & Eve represent? (Was: Was Adam a real person?)

From: George Murphy <>
Date: Wed Apr 16 2008 - 21:27:33 EDT

I should have noted also that there's certainly nothing wrong with the idea of "Christian humanism." That's a very old tradition that goes back well before "humanism" came to be equated with "secular humanism" & such notions by many people. When my father, a quite conservative Lutheran classicist, gave the faculty lecture at Ohio University many years ago it was titled (if I remember correctly) "The legacy of Christian humanism."

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  George Murphy wrote:

    & yes, there are disagreements about that too. Failure to appreciate that our original state is indeed sinful - i.e., that our sin of origin is indeed sin - leads to various errors, such as works righteousness & denial of infant baptism.

    At which I will pause & wait for the firestorm to erupt.

  Probably won't be any firestorms from your neighboring friendly Anabaptists over the baptism issue, as long as
  silence isn't mistaken for ascent. :-)


  p.s. I've heard our pastors (one of them anyway) refer to himself as a Christian humanist. I think he must take our original state as being "very good" at its very inmost core, and he would probably hearken back to creation accounts to get that. Then the fall is an overlay of that core, that while it has indeed become a humanly inseparable part of our identity needing redemption, still does not negate the existence of that originally good core. I hope I'm not misrepresenting his views, but I think he bristles at any sort of "worm theology" as giving sin an existential status beyond what Scripture accords. (Other than the 'humanist' comment, this is mostly conjecture on my part; I don't usually pursue discussions about this with our pastors -maybe I should!) Also note --this was in no way an argument for salvation by works, or that some "seed of good" automatically puts us in right relationship with God. Our leadership is orthodox in recognizing our absolute need for Christ.

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