Re: [asa] Expelled Explained

From: David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
Date: Mon Apr 14 2008 - 09:38:43 EDT

Don -- there were a number of lengthy discussions on this list about
Gonzalez. If you search the archives, you'll see that a number of people,
including ASA VP Ted Davis, were very upset by the issues surrounding the
Gonzalez decision. Of course, there was lots of debate pro and con as well.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Donald F Calbreath <
dcalbreath@whitworth.edu> wrote:

> My colleagues on this listserv really disappoint me. I posted this last
> Friday and got only one response, and that's not really a response. Am I to
> assume that everyone here agrees with the intellectual lynching that is
> taking place in our academic institutions? Do you really feel it's OK to
> treat people the way these folks have been treated? Do you run ID and YEC
> members out of your churches? I would hope we could separate the differing
> opinions we have from the abysmal treatment given to these "dissenters".
>
> Don (ASA member, but probably not for much longer)
> ________________________________________
> From: PvM [pvm.pandas@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:05 AM
> To: Donald F Calbreath
> Cc: AmericanScientificAffiliation
> Subject: Re: [asa] Expelled Explained
>
> Regarding Sternberg It was a majority report and a political hack job
> and the emails showed quite a different picture. Why is it that people
> seem to suddenly trust the US Congress?
> Why does the University of Iowa not look good in their review of Gonzalez?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Donald F Calbreath
> <dcalbreath@whitworth.edu> wrote:
> > How about a statement about the shabby treatment that Sternberg and
> others have received at the hands of the scientific community? After all,
> the Congress of the United States found that Sternberg's rights had been
> grievously violated. The University of Iowa is not looking too good at the
> way they treated Gonzalez. And Baylor is really taking a beating right now
> with their tenure decisions. It shouldn't matter whether you are for or
> against ID as such - it should matter very much if you are for or against
> persecution of scientists. The people who are getting dumped on are not
> ignorant hicks; they have Ph.Ds from good universities and have made
> worthwhile contributions to science.
> >
> > Don (ASA member)
> > ________________________________________
> > From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf
> Of Dennis Venema [Dennis.Venema@twu.ca]
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:09 AM
> >
> > To: AmericanScientificAffiliation
> > Subject: Re: [asa] Expelled Explained
> >
> >
> >
> > > If we're interested in integrity on these issues, perhaps ASA should
> > > make a statement.
> >
> > Yes, let's do so. This film is an embarrassment to the Christian
> community.
> >
> > I am actually going to see expelled later today, as it happens.
> >
> > dennis
> >
> >
> > On 4/11/08 9:32 AM, "Terry M. Gray" <grayt@lamar.colostate.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > From the Scientific American weekly podcast:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=34145C53-079F-CA62-1A6616EAA856735
> >
> > 7
> > >
> > > Predictably antagonistic, but I didn't find it problematical. Similar
> > > to some of the criticisms of ID that we hear from ASA folks.
> > >
> > > SA has other Expelled resources at their site. From the podcast which
> > > had a brief interview with Eugenie Scott. It sounds like NCSE is also
> > > gearing up for other Expelled education at
> http://www.expelledexposed.com/
> > >
> > > If we're interested in integrity on these issues, perhaps ASA should
> > > make a statement.
> > >
> > > TG
> > >
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