Re: [asa] Expelled Explained - by Stein himself

From: Dennis Venema <>
Date: Sun Apr 13 2008 - 00:30:38 EDT

here's Ben Stein himself on "Expelled" - ask yourself if you think Ben is
portraying science accurately.

Having seen the film, this is the type of argument you can expect for the
full length of the film.

scroll to about the halfway point in the interview for the expelled

Seems like ID is becoming more and more anti-science by the day.


On 4/12/08 8:38 PM, "gordon brown" <Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Dennis Venema wrote:
>> Thanks everyone, for the links. That is a certainly a lot more neutral than
>> I thought it would be. I was under the impression that the ASA no longer had
>> a significant YEC contingent.
>> Now Iım a little confused: does the ASA officially accept the YEC and ID
>> positions as valid scientific positions that Christians merely happen to
>> disagree on?
>> dennis
> The YECs left the ASA a few decades ago in order to establish their own
> organization where they could exclude Christians who didn't agree with
> them. The ASA is large enough so that there may be a handful of YECs in
> the membership, but I can't name any. ASA members on this list make up
> only a relatively small fraction of the total membership and are probably
> not an average cross-section of the total membership. Most ASA members
> have probably never attended a national or local section ASA meeting, and
> so it is difficult to deduce figures as to how many take what position on
> origins issues. I am sure that there are a significant percentage of OECs
> in the membership including some of the leaders of the ID movement. It
> seems very possible to me that there has always been at least one OEC on
> the Executive Council.
> In spite of its official neutral position, ASA has published statements on
> well established scientific facts. What I have in mind is the booklet
> "Teaching Science in a Climate of Controversy." For example, it discusses
> the Piltdown Hoax and the erroneous claims about the Paluxy River
> Man-Tracks. I think it is all right for ASA to correct statements that are
> obviously false.
> Gordon Brown (ASA member)

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