RE: [asa] Was Adam a real person?

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Wed Apr 09 2008 - 10:28:16 EDT

Hi George:
I think Asshur is a good case in point. He is Noah's grandson and gets
special mention in that he founded Nineveh. The city of Asshur is named
for him and we know where it is. Assyria is named for him and Assyria
is mentioned frequently in the Bible and we all know its place in
history. Assyrian kings were named after him. Asshur was described
often in Assyrian literature as a god. When the East India arrived in
Iraq in the 1800's the native Bedouins still referred to the land as "al
Asshur." Anybody who would suggest that Asshur is not a historical
person would be just willingly ignorant.
Canaan is also Noah's grandson. Do we not know something about the
Canaanites? I found the name of Elam, another one of Noah's grandsons,
in an Iranian history book listed as a king, and the Elamites destroyed
Sumer in 2000 BC. And so it goes. Pre-flood persons and patriarchs are
harder to find, that's a fact, but almost every person and tribe in
Genesis 10 can be found somewhere.
Dick Fischer. author, lecturer
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
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The possibility that a "supposed burial site" of Jonah in Nineveh might
be the product of the imagination of or believers centuries later might
be considered. Ditto fvor other "proofs."
Anyone who's been to Israel knows of the many gospel sites identified by
"pious Christian tradition" - i.e., by Christians centuries after the
events took place. E.g., the site traditionally identified as that of
the wedding at Cana is wrong, but it's more accessible for pilgrims than
the out-of-the-way real Cana. Of course this doesn't mean that all the
traditional identifications are wrong. (E.g., there's good evidence
that the Church of the Resurrection - aka Holy Sepulchre - really does
enclose the site of Golgotha & the tomb of Christ. OTOH the traditional
via dolorossa is wrong.) But just a tradition of pointing to some spot
& identifying it with a biblical event or person proves next to nothing.
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From: Dick <> Fischer
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Subject: RE: [asa] Was Adam a real person?
Hi David:
Job is one issue - who was there to witness the sons of God gathering
together and could have transcribed the conversation between Satan and
God? Jonah is another issue. There are two crumbling mounds in Mosul
(ancient Nineveh) today. One is called the "mound of repentance." The
other is called the mound of the nebi Yonas (prophet Jonah.) Plus,
there is a mosque erected over the supposed burial site.
Abraham rebuked his father Terah who was an idolator in Jubliees.
Josephus said, "In the tenth generation after the flood there was a man
among the Chaldeans who was just, great and knowledgeable about heavenly
phenomena." That would be Abraham. He was further described as ".a
person of great sagacity, both for understanding all things, and
persuading his hearers, and not mistaken in his inferences. So he began
to have higher notions of virtue than others had, and determined to
alter and change the opinion all men then had concerning God; for he was
the first that ventured to declare that there was but one God, the
Creator of the Universe; and that of other things whatever contributed
anything to the happiness of men, as only according to his appointment,
and not by its own power."
Berossus wrote: "... a man named Abraham, a man of noble race and
superior to all others in wisdom. Of him they relate that he was the
inventor of astrology and the Chaldean magic, and that on account of his
eminent piety he was esteemed by God. It is further said that under the
directions of God he removed and lived in Phenicia (sic), and there
taught the Phenicians the motions of the sun and moon, and all other
things; for which reason he was held in great reverence by their king."
One archaeologist, Hilprecht, from the University of Pennsylvania
visited the tomb of Daniel. I read his book and he described the
journey to the tomb. How can you question whether or not there was a
prophet Isaiah? Who wrote the book? Somebody had to write the book and
hand it to somebody else who would have known the authorship. Any
imposter would have been discovered immediately.
Joseph and Mary traveled to the city of David. For whom was the city
Dick Fischer. author, lecturer
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham

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