RE: [asa] Fw: Message to Jennifer M. Granholm, Governor of Michigan

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Sat Apr 05 2008 - 10:18:36 EDT

Let's see, 714 scientists dissent from evolution while over 11,000
clergy have signed the clergy letter in support of it. I wonder what
the scientists know that the clergy don't and vice versa. Maybe our
species hasn't evolved enough that we yet have the brains to figure
these things out,
Dick Fischer. author, lecturer
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
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From: [] On
Behalf Of David Opderbeck
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:04 PM
To: gordon brown
Subject: Re: [asa] Fw: Message to Jennifer M. Granholm, Governor of
I don't think the Governor of Michigan is in any event going to pay
attention to a letter from a church in Florida FILLED WITH CAPITAL
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM, gordon brown
<> wrote:
Do any of you know exactly what this teacher was teaching and in what
class? Did she teach irreducible complexity or Dembski's filter? I am
interested in knowing how relevant the arguments in the letter to the
governor are. By googling I found out that A Scientific Dissent from
Darwinism is worded in such a way that it merely expresses skepticism
about the sufficiency of random mutation and natural selection to
account for life's complexity. It doesn't mention Intelligent Design,
and among its 714 signers are several prominent ASA members. It is not
clear that they would all agree with the actions of this teacher or that
they agree with each other on details.

Gordon Brown (ASA member)

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, D. F. Siemens, Jr. wrote:

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Recently a public school teacher was fired for presenting Intelligent
Design to her students.
Coral Ridge ministries wrote an interesting request to the Governor of
Michigan. I thought you might like to note its contents - for your own
storehouse of knowledge.

The FACT that HUNDREDS OF PH.D.-LEVEL SCIENTISTS, including those with
doctorates from Cambridge, Standford, Cornell, Yale, Rutgers, Chicago,
Princeton, Purdue, Duke, Michigan, Syracuse, Temple, and Berkeley, and
teachers at MIT, Tulane, Rice, Emory, George Mason, Lehigh, and the
Universities of California, Washington, Texas, Florida, North Carolina,
Wisconsin, Ohio, Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa, Georgia, New
Utah, Pennsylvania, and elsewhere, have publicly expressed deep
skepticism of Darwinism, with one-hundred signing their names to a A

THE FACT that scientists such as biophysicist Dr. Dean Kenyon, author of
a leading textbook on biology, astronomer Dr. Allan Sandage, called by
the New York Times "the Old Man of Cosmology," and countless others have
NATURE based on their scientific observations;

THE FACT that leading paleontologists, such as Dr. Colin Patterson of
British Museum of Natural HIstory, and the late Dr. Stephen J. Gould of
Harvard, have admitted that after 150 years of discovering fossils,

THE FACT that teaching the Intelligent Design Theory of nature or
questioning Darwinism DOES NOT VIOLATE THE U. S. CONSTITUTION because it
does not require tax-funded schools to teach any particular viewpoint,
but only science;

THE FACT that many well-qualified academics and researchers, as both The
Coral Ridge Hour Hour television program and the movie "Expelled: No
Intelligence Allowed" have shown, have been denied tenure and, in some
cases, employment as a consequence of questions raised or doubts
expressed about the evolutionary account for the origin of life:

  I join with thousands of other citizens to insist that our state
guarantee full protection to
  any instructor in a publicly-funded educational institution, who
teaches objections to
  Darwinism or Intelligent Design Theory - shielding them from
termination, demotion,
  harassment, or any other penalty they might incur, due to their
balanced inclusion of
  Intelligent Design Theory or challenges to Darwinism in their
instruction of students.
  Please let me know what you intend to do to protect the academic
freedom of science
  instructors in our state.



My response:
The Honorable Jennifer M. Granholm, Governor of Michigan
P.O. Box 30013
Lansing, MI 48909

Dear Madam:

One if your constituents E-mailed me a copy of the letter sponsored by
Coral Gables Ministries about the teaching of Intelligent Design (ID).
I'm sure you've received many of them. The claim that ID is science is
bunk. Relatively few of the individuals who signed "A Scientific Dissent
from Darwinism" are versed in the biological sciences. It took some time
to collect the signatures. However, a contrary statement was signed by
many more biologists almost overnight. Additionally, I have read the
testimony given in the Dover, PA, trial regarding the teaching of ID,
along with Judge Jones' decision. The judgment that ID is religion
than science is clearly correct. Hence no jurisdiction in your state
should espouse this view and be subject to judicial condemnation.

I visited the Coral Gables Church some twenty years ago. I noted
cars in the church parking lot with bumper stickers claiming that bar
codes are the mark of the beast, 666. Unfortunately for their view, I
have yet to find bar codes on the forehead or right hand of human beings
any place on earth (see Revelation 13:16-18). I believe these bumper
stickers are indicative of the lack of rationality in much of what the
group sponsors.

Respectfully yours,

Dave (ASA)

David W. Opderbeck
Associate Professor of Law
Seton Hall University Law School
Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology 
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