Re: [asa] Protoplanet "without form and void"

From: <philtill@aol.com>
Date: Thu Apr 03 2008 - 01:37:59 EDT

Hi George,

I don't see that this really works.

I take "formless and void" to be an outline of the two triads of Genesis 1.? "Formless" describes the problem that is being fixed on the first triad, Days 1-3, in which the different realms are given form:? light and dark realms separated; waters above and below the sky separated; dry land separated out from waters; and plants formed.? Then the "Void" is discussed in second triad, Days 4-6, in which the emptiness of those realms is filled by populating them:? sun, moon & stars populate the day and night realms; swimmers populate the waters and fliers populate the sky; animals populate the dry land; and man populates the garden (parallel to the plants, as man is the gardener among them).? So IMO it's not exegetically correct to connect a dark space around a protoplanet with the "void" in Genesis 1.

Also, when the earth was formless and void in Genesis 1, it already had an ocean.? Darkness was on the surface of "the deep" (a term for the ocean) and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the "waters".? These same waters are what were separated into the waters above the sky on Day 2 (which become the source of rain falling onto the earth) and in which the fish will swim beginning on Day 5.? So?it would not be exegetically correct to connect the dusty gas of a protoplanet with the "waters".? "Waters" in Genesis 1 are truly H20, not dusty gas.? A protoplanet in a dusty disk would not yet have oceans of liquid H2O on the surface since it would be too hot and subject to frequent bombardment from other planetismals forming in the disk.? Only after the solar system has cleared out significantly can the planet remain cool long enough to support a stable ocean.? From a Day-Age point of view, then, Genesis 1 would begin long after the protoplanet stage.

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: George Cooper <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>
To: ASA <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 9:28 pm
Subject: [asa] Protoplanet "without form and void"

Well, that's my own spin on, of course.

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A little over a month ago, an image was produced that revealed a void in a young stellar accretion disk.? In the center of this void is, likely,?a protoplanetary disk which will eventually produce a planet (or a brown dwarf).? [Protoplanetary disks are very large compared to a planet, so it is assumed that is what they are able to see, since planets are too small to see.]

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This planet is without form, and it is in a void, which has been a prediction of planetary formation theories.? However, this is the very first image of one.

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http://www.amnh.org/science/papers/planetformation_080326.php

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[Oddly, they seem to go out of their way to describe the void, using: "depleted region of dust", "hole", and "darker area". ?]

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Of course, the red and yellow coloring is false color imaging to enhance certain properties of the disk, probably temperature.

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The particle sizes of young disks are very effective scatterers of light.? More specifically, they will cause Rayleigh Scattering which produces one dominant color from any bright starlight - blue.? Many stellar nurseries?have?been observed,?and they can be very close to one another initially, as well as, very bright.? Thus, some early disks will, likely,?appear blue even to the naked eye.? An ancient observer might best describe this emense span of blue as "waters".??

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I find this very interesting.

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GeorgeA

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