RE: [asa] Want to be on TV? (Now avail. with Dick Fischer and George Murphy)

From: Dehler, Bernie <>
Date: Tue Mar 18 2008 - 12:50:19 EDT

John Waley said:
"I have forwarded it to ... including two of the professors at Luther
Rice which is the seminary Bernie mentioned and where he just


Oh great- you "out"ed me! ;-)


Thanks for the comments- interesting.


By the way, in the next day or two it will be replaced with a new
version, so the link will change. I fixed the two errors I noted




From: John Walley []
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:05 PM
To: Dehler, Bernie;
Subject: RE: [asa] Want to be on TV? (Now avail. with Dick Fischer and
George Murphy)


Very interesting. I just finished watching the entire hour of it.


First of all thanks to both Dick and George for participating in that
and a special thanks to Bernie for putting it together. I found it
immensely helpful, informative and thought provoking. I have forwarded
it to all the thought leaders of my chapter (many of whom know Dick from
him having spoken to us recently) including two of the professors at
Luther Rice which is the seminary Bernie mentioned and where he just


I think it is important that the church comes to grips with all the
theological issues of TE as I think that is the sticking point for most
Christians that struggle with TE. Just like my friend Mark Whorton
boiled the YEC argument down to really being a theological objection to
death before the fall, I think the ID and anti-TE argument boils down to
a theological objection to a non-literal interpretation of the Bible
(excluding Dick's flavor of literalism).


Just like Henry Morris was quoted as saying that he could live with an
old earth if he had absolutely had to but it was the death before the
fall that was the deal breaker, I think giving up all the traditional
interpretations of Genesis like an historical Adam being a product of
special creation, an idyllic Eden, a tree, a serpent and a fall, and
original sin,etc. is the theological bridge too far for TE. In fact
after our last meeting where I presented my journey to TE I had one of
the seminary professors mentioned above tell me that I have already
rejected all of orthodox Christianity and predicted that next I would be
denying the bodily resurrection of Christ and that Jesus was the
exclusive way to salvation. To him rejecting all the former doctrines
had to be result of deception so it logically follows that the latter
doctrines would be next.


Bernie, I also think it was insightful and objective to take the
perspective of the YEC argument as well just to factor that in I thought
your comment about your personal history and Catholicism to
Evangelicalism due to superior intellectualism and theology and now your
doubts about that to be particularly amusing. I also found your comment
about the tragedy of most of the evangelical church being wrong on such
a fundamental issue as the age of the earth to be a very appropriate
observation and in line with my sentiments as well.


Thanks again to all and I hope we see a lot more of this kind of
discussion and outreach in the future.








        -----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Dehler, Bernie
        Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:46 PM
        Subject: [asa] Want to be on TV? (Now avail. with Dick Fischer
and George Murphy)

        Here's the show we did (free online viewing):


        It is about 1 hr. Title: "Was Adam a Real Person?"


        I don't know if I'll update it-I noticed two errors:

        1. One time Dick was talking and it was labeled as George

        2. Near the end I have slides about "worldview" but they didn't
all appear and were out of order. (I don't know yet if the source is
that way or if the DivX file conversion messed it up.) I'll put better
versions on YouTube and GodTube and on local TV (Portland Oregon area).





        From: Dehler, Bernie
        Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:29 AM
        Subject: Want to be on TV?


        Hi all-


         I plan to make a few videos. I plan to show them on community
access TV in the Portland OR area, and on my website, <> ; and on Google
video and YouTube.


         Topics will be on evolution/creation and the Bible.


         I'm currently looking for two guests to discuss the following


         "In light of conflicts between modern science and a literal
Bible reading regarding the length of human history, was Adam a real,
historical man?"


         They will be interviewed over the phone. Date of recording is
TBD and flexible.


         It will have the look and feel of these previous video's I








        I'll give it a week to see what kind of people are interested.
I want them to be a Christian (for an in-house debate). I hope to make
a few videos, so if you volunteer but aren't selected, there may be a
next time chance... I'd like to get different people for more variety.


        My first preference is someone who does this topic for a
ministry. Next preference is for someone with good credentials (Ph.D.,
M.Div., etc). Finally, any Christian who has knowledge and is
passionate about the subject.


        -- Feel free to forward this to others.

        -- Don't bother recommending other people-for now, I don't want
to spend time tracking someone down.

        -- Don't change the subject line of the email as I filter emails
based on it.

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