RE: [asa] Want to be on TV? (Now avail. with Dick Fischer and George Murphy)

From: John Walley <>
Date: Mon Mar 17 2008 - 21:05:01 EDT

Very interesting. I just finished watching the entire hour of it.
First of all thanks to both Dick and George for participating in that and a
special thanks to Bernie for putting it together. I found it immensely
helpful, informative and thought provoking. I have forwarded it to all the
thought leaders of my chapter (many of whom know Dick from him having spoken
to us recently) including two of the professors at Luther Rice which is the
seminary Bernie mentioned and where he just graduated.
I think it is important that the church comes to grips with all the
theological issues of TE as I think that is the sticking point for most
Christians that struggle with TE. Just like my friend Mark Whorton boiled
the YEC argument down to really being a theological objection to death
before the fall, I think the ID and anti-TE argument boils down to a
theological objection to a non-literal interpretation of the Bible
(excluding Dick's flavor of literalism).
Just like Henry Morris was quoted as saying that he could live with an old
earth if he had absolutely had to but it was the death before the fall that
was the deal breaker, I think giving up all the traditional interpretations
of Genesis like an historical Adam being a product of special creation, an
idyllic Eden, a tree, a serpent and a fall, and original sin,etc. is the
theological bridge too far for TE. In fact after our last meeting where I
presented my journey to TE I had one of the seminary professors mentioned
above tell me that I have already rejected all of orthodox Christianity and
predicted that next I would be denying the bodily resurrection of Christ and
that Jesus was the exclusive way to salvation. To him rejecting all the
former doctrines had to be result of deception so it logically follows that
the latter doctrines would be next.
Bernie, I also think it was insightful and objective to take the perspective
of the YEC argument as well just to factor that in I thought your comment
about your personal history and Catholicism to Evangelicalism due to
superior intellectualism and theology and now your doubts about that to be
particularly amusing. I also found your comment about the tragedy of most of
the evangelical church being wrong on such a fundamental issue as the age of
the earth to be a very appropriate observation and in line with my
sentiments as well.
Thanks again to all and I hope we see a lot more of this kind of discussion
and outreach in the future.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of Dehler, Bernie
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:46 PM
Subject: [asa] Want to be on TV? (Now avail. with Dick Fischer and George

Here's the show we did (free online viewing):
<> &hl=en


It is about 1 hr. Title: "Was Adam a Real Person?"


I don't know if I'll update it-I noticed two errors:

1. One time Dick was talking and it was labeled as George

2. Near the end I have slides about "worldview" but they didn't all appear
and were out of order. (I don't know yet if the source is that way or if
the DivX file conversion messed it up.) I'll put better versions on YouTube
and GodTube and on local TV (Portland Oregon area).





From: Dehler, Bernie
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:29 AM
Subject: Want to be on TV?


Hi all-


 I plan to make a few videos. I plan to show them on community access TV in
the Portland OR area, and on my website,
<> ; and on Google video and YouTube.


 Topics will be on evolution/creation and the Bible.


 I'm currently looking for two guests to discuss the following question:


 "In light of conflicts between modern science and a literal Bible reading
regarding the length of human history, was Adam a real, historical man?"


 They will be interviewed over the phone. Date of recording is TBD and


 It will have the look and feel of these previous video's I made:






I'll give it a week to see what kind of people are interested. I want them
to be a Christian (for an in-house debate). I hope to make a few videos, so
if you volunteer but aren't selected, there may be a next time chance. I'd
like to get different people for more variety.


My first preference is someone who does this topic for a ministry. Next
preference is for someone with good credentials (Ph.D., M.Div., etc).
Finally, any Christian who has knowledge and is passionate about the


-- Feel free to forward this to others.

-- Don't bother recommending other people-for now, I don't want to spend
time tracking someone down.

-- Don't change the subject line of the email as I filter emails based on

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