RE: [asa] Why couldn't you write your d*mn book more clearly?

From: John Walley <>
Date: Thu Mar 13 2008 - 21:10:55 EDT

When Jesus warned of false teachers, that logically implies that there
exists true ones. Where to find them is a different issue but Jesus did say
that His sheep hear His voice and if we seek the truth we would find it.
I reject the claims that due to the nuances of much learning, the truth is
unknowable because that is counter to the claims of Christ. Also I agree
with George that obvious doctrinal error can be sufficiently filtered out
easily enough by plain common sense, spiritual discernment and testable
Granted we will all have unlearning to do on judgment day but the real
tragedy is that false learning came at the expense of not learning what we
should have and what God called us to. And I think that will be in large
part for a lot of people due to the fact that the church absolved herself of
this responsibility.

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Subject: Re: [asa] Why couldn't you write your d*mn book more clearly?

There are several conflicting magisteria, like Ellen G. White, prophetess of
the Seventh Day Adventists; Herbert Armstrong who had headquarters in
Pasadena, CA. There are other theological traditions that are held within
the several denominations, including the now abandoned Missouri Synod
anti-Copernicanism. Since serious Bible students differ on the Eucharist and
Baptism (back to the time of the Reformation), where will you find this
magisterium? The fact is that, when we stand before the Lord, we'll have
things to unlearn, even among those of us who are certain they are right.
Dave (ASA)
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:29:25 -0400 "John Walley" <>

I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one and this same conclusion has
been my key takeaway from my recent OEC-TE journey. The church needs more of
an emphasis on what are reasonable and allowable interpretations of the
Bible (after getting it right first of course) and that would diffuse a lot
of this "private interpretation" nonsense that leads to this disaster and
I think we need the office of the Majesterium restored to the church and
that was one unfortunate casualty of the Reformation and we are suffering as
a result of it. Ironically, I think the closest thing that I have found that
approaches this function in the church today is this list. There may be
better examples out there cloistered away in church hierarchy somewhere but
not easily accessible to the general seeking public to my knowledge.
Today's Protestantism is afflicted with the intellectual equivalent of moral
relativism in our culture. We have intellectual or spiritual relativism
where every idea is equal including YEC and it is politically incorrect and
unacceptable to correct it. This denies the truth that there is an absolute
right and wrong and that we should have it or be looking for it and have a
way to know it when we do find it.
I think it will take a removal of all the complicit pastors from their roles
and it will take a new generation of leadership in the church but I am
hopeful that we will see it soon as I feel that is what the Holy Spirit is
trying to do.

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