Re: [asa] Pinnock on Climbing out of the Swamp (was Lamoureux, Concordism, and Inerrancy)

From: David F Siemens <>
Date: Thu Mar 06 2008 - 21:16:11 EST

Sounds right to me. The reference to /kenosis/ indicates emptying or
draining, if I understand it correctly. There was none of the divine
foreknowledge left, among other attributes of deity. I don't have my
reference material with me on the road,
Dave (ASA)

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:00:37 -0600 "Douglas Hayworth"
<> writes:
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Austerberry, Charles
<> wrote:

Well said, George. I agree that we can't know for sure what Jesus
thought about cosmology or origins, but I also agree that we still
worship Jesus Christ as God and Lord even if during His human life His
worldview was typical of Jewish peasants. Where to draw the line between
His humanity and His divinity (when it comes to mind and knowledge) is,
well, tricky if not sticky for me at least.

I've always viewed Jesus as being entirely human in his "default" general
knowledge. His divine insights, then, are the result of intimate
communication with the Father. In other words, Jesus knew only those
supernatural things that were revealed to him by the Father. Thus, Jesus
could know a particular individual's inner thoughts or he could know his
future mission because he was in close, prayerful communication with the
Father who would reveal those things to him as needed.

I have no idea how conventional or radical this notion is, but I it seems
to make the most sense to me. It also pictures Jesus a being a real
example to us (rather than as an "impossible" standard): we, too, can
have supernatural insight beyond our human faculties to the extent that
we become one with the Father in worship, prayer and devotion. I have to
believe that God will provide the spiritual insight that I need, just as
he provided all that Jesus the Son of Man needed for his life. (Granted,
my needs are much less than those of Jesus, but the principle is the



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