RE: [asa] Stupid/Dumb Science and Intelligent/Intelligence Science

From: John Walley <>
Date: Sun Oct 21 2007 - 00:28:15 EDT

I appreciate the second paragraph of your excerpt. However "Proponents of
intelligent design propose that certain aspects of reality are far too
rationally exquisite to have happened randomly, the implication being that
there has to be a Creator behind it all." from your first could equally
apply to Jesus turning water into wine, healing blind people and raising
Lazarus from the dead, and that is exactly the implication that God




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Subject: Re: [asa] Stupid/Dumb Science and Intelligent/Intelligence Science


Wait you two! You're both right! It's a floor wax and a dessert topping!
(or breath
mint and a candy mint for you (us) older boomers).

>>Of course, that ID is merely the set theoretic complement of regularity

>>and chance shows that 'design' is not an explanation but rather a

>>position of ignorance based on the fact that science cannot (yet)

>>explain a particular feature.

ID is just the reaction of people of faith to the shrinking down of

Creation into purely rational terms when they instinctively know that

it is far more involved than we will ever know.

>This sounds like the modern day equivalent of the Pharisees rationalizing

>and dismissing the miracles of Jesus. God is the author of our natural laws

>and He chose exceptions to these laws that he worked at His will to be a

>testimony to Him.

Well, John, here's an excerpt from my book on the subject. I hope it helps

balance the issue a little, or at least get both sides forget each other and

vent their frustrations on me instead. It's out of context of the preceding

chapters, but you'll get the gist of it.

(The following is an excerpt from "The God of Reason" Copyright 2006 by
Michael G. Harmon)

The latest "evolution" of this fundamentalist argument for a naively
simplistic notion of the hand of God is called "intelligent design". Both
parties are up to their same old futile strategies. Proponents of
intelligent design propose that certain aspects of reality are far too
rationally exquisite to have happened randomly, the implication being that
there has to be a Creator behind it all. They say this without
understanding the first thing about how pathetically inadequate our human
concept of "intelligence" or "to create" is, compared to the immanent,
transcendent, infinite potential of the Creator of the infinite context of
all things seen and unseen. Of course, the origin of Creation is
intelligent. It's not just an intelligent design. It is a design that is
more intelligent than we will ever hope to comprehend, much less describe.
It is just one finite speck of local creation from which we derive our
comparatively imbecilic concept of what "intelligence" might truly be.

On the other side of the coin, the most ardent rational opponents to the
theory of intelligent design arrogantly presume that they know enough about
evolution, quantum science, and cosmology to discount the notion that
anything could be intuited as being of greater intelligence than what they
themselves can describe. Some of these so-called men of knowledge act as if
the infinite rational symmetry which they eternally pursue is somehow not
"intelligent" until they discover and characterize it. Of course,
everything in the symmetrical Universe of infinite Creation is intelligently
manifest. We are but a miniscule residue of the unfathomable "intelligence"
of Creation. Creation is not just intelligently manifest; it is more
intelligently manifest than we can ever know or describe, whether as
scientist or religious devotee. The proper assertion for both scientists
and Creationists is to claim evolution science as an accurate but very
narrow subset of Creationism, the full character and extent of which are
forever beyond any human capacity to fathom.

(End of excerpted material)

Evolution science is good science. Creation faith is good faith.



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