RE: [asa] Creationists for genocide

From: Alexanian, Moorad <>
Date: Sun Aug 26 2007 - 08:05:43 EDT

Surely, the Ten Commandments are not the result of any evolutionary theory. Their existence and the inability of man to obey them indicate that we are condemned by them and are distant from its Author.


In the Christian faith, man can be reconciled to the Author through someone who claimed to be His Son. Christ summarized the Ten Commandments into two. Accordingly, the behavior of Christians is based on these two commandments.


However, humans are intellectually incapable to logically connect, say as mathematical axioms are connected to theorems, the consequences of these laws in order to govern the actions of their free will. Of course, the consequences of our rebellion to the Son are partially visible to us all while we are alive. Therefore, pleasing the Author and learning the essence of the commandments lead to knowledge and happiness.


Of course, following the laws is based on faith not true understanding and thus faith and hope are essential. Of course, there are the proud ones amongst us that relay on their puny brains to try to fathom what is unfathomable even to the best of human mind. To them hope may be a weakness and a sign of mental limitedness and so to those only death will be their ultimate teacher.




From: on behalf of Christine Smith
Sent: Sun 8/26/2007 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: [asa] Creationists for genocide

Pim writes:
"That we may
disagree with Luther merely shows how Heard and Avalos
may have a
strong argument that individuals get to define what is
moral and
immoral or just and unjust. If religion lacks a way to
between to two then how can a biblical foundation for
morality be
justified. Unless perhaps such a morality is inherent
in us all, based
on a foundation linked with evolutionary history.
Absolute morality
may very well exist, but I doubt that we as Christians
will ever be
exposed to its full extent during our life time. At
best we can try,
based on often confusing examples, to do our best."

I think we need to be clear about what is meant by
"relativistic morality" in this context--the term
could be used to describe that 1) there is no real
"right or wrong" in life, and that therefore, "right
or wrong" is whatever we as individuals define it to
be or 2) that what is moral depends upon (is relative
to) the situation/question being addressed. I believe
that #1 runs counter to Biblical teachings, but that
#2 does not--moreover, I think perhaps the reason
people become confused about morality while reading
the Bible is precisely because #2 is true--expecting
the Bible to teach "X is wrong and Y is right", they
are instead confronted with and perplexed by "well, X
was right when the Israelites were faced with this
situation, but not right when they were faced with
that one." and "well, X was given as a law previously,
but really, X is not the ideal--it was just a stepping
stone to bring us to this greater ideal of Y". Indeed,
I think this complexity testifies not against the
Bible, but for it, because it is an accurate
reflection of the fact that we do not live in a black
& white world, and that what is "right" in God's eyes
will not be black & white either. Moreover, this
complexity also makes the Bible a "living document" in
the same sense that the Constitution is said to be a
living document, in that it provides a framework
(combined with your own reason & interpretation) for
making judgments in the future about specific
situations never faced by the original authors.

In the sense that God is the ONLY One who knows THE
truth (IOW: what REALLY is right and wrong), then I
concur with Pim that Christians (or anyone else) will
never know it in its entirety. Yet, I also believe
(and I hope everyone else would as well) that
Bible-based truths bring us closer to the truth then
other systems of ethics, whether they be Greek
philosophy, Buddism, or evolutionary-based ethics,
because the Bible points towards and reveals God
through history, particularly in the incarnation of
Jesus Christ. This is not to say that these other
systems of ethics have no value or do not contain a
portion of God's truth in the world; instead, these
other systems simply do not reveal God's truth as well
or to as great an extent as Christianity.

In Christ,

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