Re: [asa] Creationists for genocide

From: Michael Roberts <>
Date: Sat Aug 25 2007 - 11:47:13 EDT

I agree, but put it in a more delicate and English way! :-)

No one has mentioned good old Joe's behaviour in Soviet Russia , cant blame the Christians for that.

As Christians ought to interpret the OT in the light of the NT, one could argue that Jews as they use only the OT must be inherently predisposed to genocide.

Parts of the Koran could be mentioned.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Opderbeck
  To: Michael Roberts
  Cc: PvM ; AmericanScientificAffiliation
  Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] Creationists for genocide

  It seems to me that Avalos and his other atheist fundamentalists are out-fundamentalist-ing the religious fundamentalists. Apparently, anyone who rejects the Dawkins line that God as portrayed in the OT is merely petty, mean, etc., must be a supporter of genocide. Rubbish.

  On 8/25/07, Michael Roberts <> wrote:
    A quickie response.

    I have never been impressed with the alleged bloodline running from Darwin
    to Hitler, and from what I have picked up about Wiekart I am not impressed.

    Historical attitudes by Christians to others over history have often been
    wicked eg Luther on Jews and many others.

    However a quick look at Avalos indicates an equally unimpressive argument.
    To say Torrey (a TE not a creationist) Safarti and Craig support genocide
    is not accurate as they were seeking to understand the OT.

    I haven't time to do more.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "PvM" < >
    To: "AmericanScientificAffiliation" <>
    Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 6:01 AM
    Subject: [asa] Creationists for genocide

> Professor Hector Avalos, Professor of Religious Studies at Iowa State
> University has recently finished "Creationists for genocide" which
> explores the link between ethics, the holocaust, Darwinism and Luther.
> An interesting reading with some challenging positions.
> <quote>
> One understands nothing about creationism unless one understands that
> it is meant to be a system of ethics. That is why the assault on
> evolution has always included a lengthy history of moral judgments
> against evolution. Perhaps none of these judgments has been more
> accusatory than the idea that Darwinism led to the Holocaust. Such an
> idea is trumpeted in many creationist venues, including books and
> blogs. A prime example of this accusation today is found in Richard
> Weikart's From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and
> Racism in Germany (2004).[1] Weikart is a member of the Discovery
> Institute who has devoted his career to elucidating the supposed
> immoral consequences of evolution.
> For Weikart, the materialistic basis of evolutionary theory is
> responsible for the devaluation of human life in general. In
> particular, the idea of the survival of the fittest leads to the
> devaluation or extermination of those considered "unfit" in society.
> Death becomes a good thing insofar as it helps the species rid itself
> of unfit organisms. The principal goal of all such anti-evolutionary
> moral arguments is to show that creationism, especially in its
> Judeo-Christian form, is a superior moral system.
> Aside from exposing the historical flaws found in the work of Weikart,
> this essay demonstrates that the defense of genocide, infanticide and
> "eugenics" by creationists actually has a very venerable and lengthy
> tradition that precedes Darwin. In fact, the most blatant defenses of
> genocide ever penned are still to be found among creationists. Some of
> these defenders of genocide include Reuben A. Torrey, the famed
> fundamentalist apologist, William Lane Craig, Jonathan Sarfati, an
> Australian Young-Earth creationist with a Ph.D. in chemistry, and
> Glenn Miller, an American business executive who fancies himself to be
> a biblical scholar.[2]
> </quote>
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