Re: [asa] Creationists for genocide

From: PvM <pvm.pandas@gmail.com>
Date: Sat Aug 25 2007 - 13:01:34 EDT

I was somewhat surprised to read about the seven steps by Luther.
Furthermore, David's response seems to do a disservice to Avalos's
arguments. Is ad hominem the only response possible here?

On 8/25/07, David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems to me that Avalos and his other atheist fundamentalists are
> out-fundamentalist-ing the religious fundamentalists. Apparently, anyone
> who rejects the Dawkins line that God as portrayed in the OT is merely
> petty, mean, etc., must be a supporter of genocide. Rubbish.
>
>
>
> On 8/25/07, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > A quickie response.
> >
> > I have never been impressed with the alleged bloodline running from Darwin
> > to Hitler, and from what I have picked up about Wiekart I am not
> impressed.
> >
> > Historical attitudes by Christians to others over history have often been
> > wicked eg Luther on Jews and many others.
> >
> > However a quick look at Avalos indicates an equally unimpressive argument.
> > To say Torrey (a TE not a creationist) Safarti and Craig support genocide
> > is not accurate as they were seeking to understand the OT.
> >
> > I haven't time to do more.
> >
> > Michael
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "PvM" <pvm.pandas@gmail.com >
> > To: "AmericanScientificAffiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 6:01 AM
> > Subject: [asa] Creationists for genocide
> >
> >
> > > Professor Hector Avalos, Professor of Religious Studies at Iowa State
> > > University has recently finished "Creationists for genocide" which
> > > explores the link between ethics, the holocaust, Darwinism and Luther.
> > > An interesting reading with some challenging positions.
> > >
> > > <quote>
> > > One understands nothing about creationism unless one understands that
> > > it is meant to be a system of ethics. That is why the assault on
> > > evolution has always included a lengthy history of moral judgments
> > > against evolution. Perhaps none of these judgments has been more
> > > accusatory than the idea that Darwinism led to the Holocaust. Such an
> > > idea is trumpeted in many creationist venues, including books and
> > > blogs. A prime example of this accusation today is found in Richard
> > > Weikart's From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and
> > > Racism in Germany (2004).[1] Weikart is a member of the Discovery
> > > Institute who has devoted his career to elucidating the supposed
> > > immoral consequences of evolution.
> > >
> > > For Weikart, the materialistic basis of evolutionary theory is
> > > responsible for the devaluation of human life in general. In
> > > particular, the idea of the survival of the fittest leads to the
> > > devaluation or extermination of those considered "unfit" in society.
> > > Death becomes a good thing insofar as it helps the species rid itself
> > > of unfit organisms. The principal goal of all such anti-evolutionary
> > > moral arguments is to show that creationism, especially in its
> > > Judeo-Christian form, is a superior moral system.
> > >
> > > Aside from exposing the historical flaws found in the work of Weikart,
> > > this essay demonstrates that the defense of genocide, infanticide and
> > > "eugenics" by creationists actually has a very venerable and lengthy
> > > tradition that precedes Darwin. In fact, the most blatant defenses of
> > > genocide ever penned are still to be found among creationists. Some of
> > > these defenders of genocide include Reuben A. Torrey, the famed
> > > fundamentalist apologist, William Lane Craig, Jonathan Sarfati, an
> > > Australian Young-Earth creationist with a Ph.D. in chemistry, and
> > > Glenn Miller, an American business executive who fancies himself to be
> > > a biblical scholar.[2]
> > > </quote>
> > >
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