Re: [asa] Creationists for genocide

From: David Opderbeck <>
Date: Sat Aug 25 2007 - 09:37:25 EDT

It seems to me that Avalos and his other atheist fundamentalists are
out-fundamentalist-ing the religious fundamentalists. Apparently, anyone
who rejects the Dawkins line that God as portrayed in the OT is merely
petty, mean, etc., must be a supporter of genocide. Rubbish.

On 8/25/07, Michael Roberts <> wrote:
> A quickie response.
> I have never been impressed with the alleged bloodline running from Darwin
> to Hitler, and from what I have picked up about Wiekart I am not
> impressed.
> Historical attitudes by Christians to others over history have often been
> wicked eg Luther on Jews and many others.
> However a quick look at Avalos indicates an equally unimpressive argument.
> To say Torrey (a TE not a creationist) Safarti and Craig support genocide
> is not accurate as they were seeking to understand the OT.
> I haven't time to do more.
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PvM" <>
> To: "AmericanScientificAffiliation" <>
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 6:01 AM
> Subject: [asa] Creationists for genocide
> > Professor Hector Avalos, Professor of Religious Studies at Iowa State
> > University has recently finished "Creationists for genocide" which
> > explores the link between ethics, the holocaust, Darwinism and Luther.
> > An interesting reading with some challenging positions.
> >
> > <quote>
> > One understands nothing about creationism unless one understands that
> > it is meant to be a system of ethics. That is why the assault on
> > evolution has always included a lengthy history of moral judgments
> > against evolution. Perhaps none of these judgments has been more
> > accusatory than the idea that Darwinism led to the Holocaust. Such an
> > idea is trumpeted in many creationist venues, including books and
> > blogs. A prime example of this accusation today is found in Richard
> > Weikart's From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and
> > Racism in Germany (2004).[1] Weikart is a member of the Discovery
> > Institute who has devoted his career to elucidating the supposed
> > immoral consequences of evolution.
> >
> > For Weikart, the materialistic basis of evolutionary theory is
> > responsible for the devaluation of human life in general. In
> > particular, the idea of the survival of the fittest leads to the
> > devaluation or extermination of those considered "unfit" in society.
> > Death becomes a good thing insofar as it helps the species rid itself
> > of unfit organisms. The principal goal of all such anti-evolutionary
> > moral arguments is to show that creationism, especially in its
> > Judeo-Christian form, is a superior moral system.
> >
> > Aside from exposing the historical flaws found in the work of Weikart,
> > this essay demonstrates that the defense of genocide, infanticide and
> > "eugenics" by creationists actually has a very venerable and lengthy
> > tradition that precedes Darwin. In fact, the most blatant defenses of
> > genocide ever penned are still to be found among creationists. Some of
> > these defenders of genocide include Reuben A. Torrey, the famed
> > fundamentalist apologist, William Lane Craig, Jonathan Sarfati, an
> > Australian Young-Earth creationist with a Ph.D. in chemistry, and
> > Glenn Miller, an American business executive who fancies himself to be
> > a biblical scholar.[2]
> > </quote>
> >
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