Re: [asa] egad

From: Robert Schneider <schneider98@gmail.com>
Date: Wed Aug 22 2007 - 16:44:22 EDT

Michael, I'd like to say that I'm "slim slime," but my wasteline won't allow
it.
Bob

On 8/22/07, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> This is a disgraceful post. How dare you question a devout Christian who
> is upholding God's Word. There is no doubt that this is a superb piece of
> Christian scholarship which is undermining all the Enlightenment based
> heresies which have caused so much damage. I trust you also know that Bishop
> Bell, a 15th century Bishop of Carlisle had pet dinosaurs and had pictures
> of them inscribed on his tomb.
>
> It is high time that you began to accept the wonderful Christian
> scholarship of Johnson and that of Henry Morris and many others.
>
> Perhaps you belong to the wrong denomination.
>
> Appalled
>
> Michael
>
> PS I thought you were slime not slim.,
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Robert Schneider <schneider98@gmail.com>
> *To:* John Burgeson (Burgy) <burgytwo@juno.com>
> *Cc:* asa@calvin.edu
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [asa] egad
>
>
> While I am not an expert in Greek art, I taught a course in Greek and
> Roman culture and one in classical mythology for over twenty-five years,
> while also teaching a course that included a close reading of Genesis 1-11.
> Funny that I missed this connection, as have the several historians of Greek
> art I used for preparing lectures. They include Jane Henle's book *Greek
> Myths: A Vase Painter's Notebook*.
>
> While Greek vase painters and scultors may have been working independently
> of literarary sources, as Greek mythology has a rich oral tradition, I would
> note that the Flood story appears in Greek mythological writings only quite
> late, in Ovid's *Metamorphoses (late 1st c. BC)* and Apollodorus's *Library
> of Myths (2nd cent. AD)**.* The latter compiler cites two eartly (5th
> cent. B.C.) proto-historians. It is clear from the dearth of material that
> the flood myth was a little interest to the Greeks. Lucian of Samosata (2nd
> cent. AD) refers to the myth, but although he was a Syrian, it is curious
> that he doesn't draw upon Near Eastern sources such as Gilgamesh and
> Genesis. I do not recall ever seeing a Greek vase that portrays the Flood as
> Johnson argues.
>
> Johnson claims that the Greek artists portrayed the gods as human beings,
> because that is what they truly were and Socrates said so. I think he needed
> to do some extensive reading in the history of Greek and near eastern
> religions. He is obviously either quite ignorant or quite selective. The
> Euhemerist theory of the origin of the gods is but one notion in Greek
> religious thought and practice, and certainly not the dominant one among
> ordinary believers.
>
> I suspect typical YEC scholarship: make a conclusion and then "interpret"
> the materials to conform to it. The dead-giveaway is the polemical trashing
> Johnson invites his readers to visit on "evolutionists." Does he think that
> all of these scholars of Greek art are to be lumped in with this atheistic
> crowd?
>
> I wonder if any expert on Greek art and its portrayals of mythological
> themes will take the trouble to review this work. Probably not.
>
> Bob Schneider (A Mutant Descendent of Slim Mold)
>
>
> On 8/21/07, John Burgeson (Burgy) <burgytwo@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > Date: August 21, 2007
> > By: Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr.
> > From: Solving Light Books
> >
> > Call Darwinists 'Slime-Snake-Monkey-People' Author Urges Christians
> >
> > Merited Ridicule May Shame Them into Accepting Evidence in Greek Art for
> > Genesis Events
> >
> > ANNAPOLIS, Maryland, August 21 /Christian Newswire/ -- Solving Light
> > Books announced today the release of Robert Bowie Johnson Jr.'s new book,
> > "Noah in Ancient Greek Art," featuring 27 ancient images of the Greek
> > version of Noah. The book details Noah's role in Greek art as a known
> > historical figure in relation to whom the artists were able to depict, and
> > boast of, the rapid growth of their contrary spiritual outlook, exalting
> > man, instead of God, as the measure of all things.
> >
> > In his previous book, "The Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble"
> > (a 288-page hardback now translated into Greek and French), Mr. Johnson
> > presents abundant evidence that ancient Greek art preserves a record of
> > humanity's origins matching the Genesis account, but from an opposite
> > viewpoint- that the serpent enlightened, rather than deluded, the first
> > couple in paradise.
> >
> > "In Greek art, we find detailed, consistent portrayals of the early
> > Genesis themes including: the ancient garden, the serpent-entwined apple
> > tree, the first family, Cain killing Abel, the Flood, and the successful
> > rebellion against Noah after the Flood. Greek artists made the gods look
> > just like people because that's who they were-our ancestors. Socrates
> > himself referred to the gods as such," Mr. Johnson said.
> >
> > The author devotes the final section of his new book to explaining why
> > mainstream scientists, academics, and journalists remain oblivious to the
> > true significance of Greek art. "Their ruling paradigm is Darwinism, a
> > closed-minded, anti-Creator mindset which compels them to ignore or deny any
> > evidence which tends to validate the Book of Genesis. Viewing Greek art as
> > what it truly represents-human history- painfully contradicts their pompous
> > evolutionist speculation. That's why they must blindly insist that ancient
> > Greek vase-painters and sculptors spent their entire lives portraying
> > nothing more than myths," Mr. Johnson stated.
> >
> > To shock the Darwinists out of their denial of the overwhelming evidence
> > in Greek art for the reality of Genesis events, the author urges
> > Creationists to refer to evolutionists as what they imagine they are-"Slime-
> > Snake-Monkey-People." Mr. Johnson, who holds a general science degree from
> > West Point, also suggests that since Slime-Snake-Monkey-People insist they
> > evolved over millions of years through a countless series of random
> > mutations, Christians should also refer to them as "mutants."
> >
> >
> > www.burgy.50megs.com
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
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