Re: [asa] egad

From: Michael Roberts <>
Date: Wed Aug 22 2007 - 16:26:11 EDT


This is a disgraceful post. How dare you question a devout Christian who is upholding God's Word. There is no doubt that this is a superb piece of Christian scholarship which is undermining all the Enlightenment based heresies which have caused so much damage. I trust you also know that Bishop Bell, a 15th century Bishop of Carlisle had pet dinosaurs and had pictures of them inscribed on his tomb.

It is high time that you began to accept the wonderful Christian scholarship of Johnson and that of Henry Morris and many others.

Perhaps you belong to the wrong denomination.



PS I thought you were slime not slim.,

----- Original Message -----
  From: Robert Schneider
  To: John Burgeson (Burgy)
  Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] egad

  While I am not an expert in Greek art, I taught a course in Greek and Roman culture and one in classical mythology for over twenty-five years, while also teaching a course that included a close reading of Genesis 1-11. Funny that I missed this connection, as have the several historians of Greek art I used for preparing lectures. They include Jane Henle's book Greek Myths: A Vase Painter's Notebook.

  While Greek vase painters and scultors may have been working independently of literarary sources, as Greek mythology has a rich oral tradition, I would note that the Flood story appears in Greek mythological writings only quite late, in Ovid's Metamorphoses (late 1st c. BC) and Apollodorus's Library of Myths (2nd cent. AD). The latter compiler cites two eartly (5th cent. B.C.) proto-historians. It is clear from the dearth of material that the flood myth was a little interest to the Greeks. Lucian of Samosata (2nd cent. AD) refers to the myth, but although he was a Syrian, it is curious that he doesn't draw upon Near Eastern sources such as Gilgamesh and Genesis. I do not recall ever seeing a Greek vase that portrays the Flood as Johnson argues.

  Johnson claims that the Greek artists portrayed the gods as human beings, because that is what they truly were and Socrates said so. I think he needed to do some extensive reading in the history of Greek and near eastern religions. He is obviously either quite ignorant or quite selective. The Euhemerist theory of the origin of the gods is but one notion in Greek religious thought and practice, and certainly not the dominant one among ordinary believers.

  I suspect typical YEC scholarship: make a conclusion and then "interpret" the materials to conform to it. The dead-giveaway is the polemical trashing Johnson invites his readers to visit on "evolutionists." Does he think that all of these scholars of Greek art are to be lumped in with this atheistic crowd?

  I wonder if any expert on Greek art and its portrayals of mythological themes will take the trouble to review this work. Probably not.

  Bob Schneider (A Mutant Descendent of Slim Mold)

  On 8/21/07, John Burgeson (Burgy) <> wrote:
    Date: August 21, 2007
    By: Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr.
    From: Solving Light Books

    Call Darwinists 'Slime-Snake-Monkey-People' Author Urges Christians

    Merited Ridicule May Shame Them into Accepting Evidence in Greek Art for Genesis Events

    ANNAPOLIS, Maryland, August 21 /Christian Newswire/ -- Solving Light Books announced today the release of Robert Bowie Johnson Jr.'s new book, "Noah in Ancient Greek Art," featuring 27 ancient images of the Greek version of Noah. The book details Noah's role in Greek art as a known historical figure in relation to whom the artists were able to depict, and boast of, the rapid growth of their contrary spiritual outlook, exalting man, instead of God, as the measure of all things.

    In his previous book, "The Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble" (a 288-page hardback now translated into Greek and French), Mr. Johnson presents abundant evidence that ancient Greek art preserves a record of humanity's origins matching the Genesis account, but from an opposite viewpoint- that the serpent enlightened, rather than deluded, the first couple in paradise.

    "In Greek art, we find detailed, consistent portrayals of the early Genesis themes including: the ancient garden, the serpent-entwined apple tree, the first family, Cain killing Abel, the Flood, and the successful rebellion against Noah after the Flood. Greek artists made the gods look just like people because that's who they were-our ancestors. Socrates himself referred to the gods as such," Mr. Johnson said.

    The author devotes the final section of his new book to explaining why mainstream scientists, academics, and journalists remain oblivious to the true significance of Greek art. "Their ruling paradigm is Darwinism, a closed-minded, anti-Creator mindset which compels them to ignore or deny any evidence which tends to validate the Book of Genesis. Viewing Greek art as what it truly represents-human history- painfully contradicts their pompous evolutionist speculation. That's why they must blindly insist that ancient Greek vase-painters and sculptors spent their entire lives portraying nothing more than myths," Mr. Johnson stated.

    To shock the Darwinists out of their denial of the overwhelming evidence in Greek art for the reality of Genesis events, the author urges Creationists to refer to evolutionists as what they imagine they are-"Slime- Snake-Monkey-People." Mr. Johnson, who holds a general science degree from West Point, also suggests that since Slime-Snake-Monkey-People insist they evolved over millions of years through a countless series of random mutations, Christians should also refer to them as "mutants."

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