Re: [asa] Theological Perspectives Without a Literal Adam

From: David Opderbeck <>
Date: Wed Aug 22 2007 - 11:53:08 EDT

Right -- but Zondervan's Counterpoints series doesn't have these
titles: "*Four
Views on Whether God is Creator*" or "*Six Views on Whether Jesus is the Son
of God*." Ok, yes, there are dozens of views on exactly what it
*means*that God is "creator" and that Jesus is "Son of God," but it
seems to me
that these at least are basic affirmations that are central to an
authentically "Christian" tradition - and beyond that, the basic kerygma
that Jesus is exalted by virtue of his resurrection, the Holy Spirit is the
sign of God's presence in the Church, that people everywhere should repent
and recieve forgiveness and salvation in Christ, and that Christ will return
to consummate history. Again, there are inummerable details as to which
multiphonic perspectives are possible, but I don't want to be so quick to
concede that there is no essential core. I'm not even sure I'd be so quick
to concede that multiple views on the details are always a "scandal," if the
tradition is an incarnational one rather than some kind of Greek ideal

On 8/22/07, Jim Armstrong <> wrote:
> Reminds me of a partial list of titles from Zondervan's Counterpoints
> series mentioned in an earlier post.
> Five Views on Sanctification,
> Four Views on Hell,
> Five Views on Law and Gospel,
> Four Views on Eternal Security,
> Understanding Four Views on Baptism,
> Understanding Four Views on the Lord's Supper,
> Four Views on Salvation in a Pluralistic World,
> Two Views on Women in Ministry,
> Three Views on the Millennium and Beyond,
> Four Views on the Book of Revelation,
> Three Views on the Rapture,
> Three Views on Creation and Evolution
> JimA [ Friend of ASA]
> D. F. Siemens, Jr. wrote:
> May I suggest that there is a core of commitments, notably that salvation
> is by faith rather than works, that is fundamental. But there are
> denominational differences, such as the Lutheran, Calvinistic and Zwinglian
> views of the Lord's Supper. The views on baptism are different with
> Lutherans and Reformed, though they both practice infant baptism, which is
> not recognized among any of the denominations that have some Anabaptist
> influence. But even there there are the many who dip once and the Church of
> the Brethren/Brethren Church group who dip thrice. Sprinkled, poured or
> immersed, I'm sure that those who trust in Christ will be with Christ
> eternally, and all who have not faith will reach perdition, no matter how
> thoroughly wetted. Beyond the core, I don't know how to settle matters. And
> even in the orthodox core, there are some problems. I think Newton held to
> salvation by faith without being a Trinitarian. And I have heard of some
> non-Trinitarian Pentecostals.
> Dave (ASA)
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:31:54 -0400 "David Opderbeck" <>
> writes:
> These are all great questions as well -- but shouldn't we try to answer
> them as well as asking them? If the "Christian tradition" is nothing but a
> gaggle of different local traditions without any center of gravity, isn't
> that a problem? I guess I'd try to focus on the basic outline of the Nicene
> Creed as a rough guideline. Or maybe, using propositional doctrinal
> statements as the center of gravity isn't quite right -- maybe it's more of
> a MacIntyre-ian tradition; but still, the virtues and practices inherent to
> the tradition have to stem from God's revelation in Christ and in scripture,
> so that at least some sort of Christological claims must form a boundary
> between *this* tradition and some other one.

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