Re: [asa] FYI: Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith - is the new enemy of

From: Iain Strachan <igd.strachan@gmail.com>
Date: Tue Aug 21 2007 - 17:07:26 EDT

No, it seems you couldn't resist the temptation for a vicious ad hominem
attack. I'm no saint, and neither are you. I really don't know why the
list-owner puts up with your appalling behaviour.

Iain

On 8/21/07, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> It seems that I have offended St Iain, the upright example of moral
> rectitude again. please don't be such a prig.
>
> I am well aware that Alexanian is a competent physicist, but he talks
> absolute nonsense over geology and evolution basically dismissing them as
> non-science. He takes no notice of anyone who questions his gross (and
> deliberate?) misunderstandings and carries on making the same silly
> comments, and has done for years. After making my last post I followed up
> his website and as well as finding a fine list of publications in physics,
> comparable to my father who was a biochemist, it also referred to his
> membership of the Earth History Research Center. I looked at some of the
> articles and they were typical YEC misunderstanding of geology and lots of
> make-believe alternatives to geology. It is the same old stuff which has
> been criticised time and time again but some Christians want to make the
> Gospel seem absurd. As a Professor of Physics he should have both some
> understanding and respect for other sciences. Were I to make equally silly
> and snide comments about the non-scientific nature of physics or chemistry I
> am sure that many would rightfully challenge me. (George would have a field
> day for a start!)
>
> Yes we can disagree and should normally be respectful, but there are times
> when some present such nonsense that one cannot disagree respectfully.
>
> I shall say 37 Hail Iains and beat my breast
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Iain Strachan <igd.strachan@gmail.com>
> *To:* Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu>
> *Cc:* Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> ; skrogh<panterragroup@mindspring.com>;
> asa@calvin.edu
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [asa] FYI: Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith -
> is the new enemy of
>
> I was going to add that for a vicar (albeit one with scientific
> qualifications) to ask a Professor of Physics to learn something about
> science seems a bit presumptuous.
>
> Perhaps Michael should learn a little about the art of "respectfully
> disagreeing"?
>
> As I've stated before, I'm sure, Michael's predilection for making nasty
> sniping comments at people he disagrees with is, in my opinion at totally
> unacceptable. I only keep Michael out of my Trash filter (which currently
> has two members) because he occasionally makes useful comments when he can
> resist the temptation to be vicious.
>
> Iain
>
> On 8/21/07, Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu> wrote:
> >
> > 1) In 1975, I published papers on the Big Bang in the Physical
> > Review connecting the Big Bang to high-energy particle physics and phase
> > transitions. I have published papers in Astrophysical Journal and Physical
> > Review Letters regarding the nature of the cosmic background radiation. I
> > will put up my scientific record against yours anytime you want.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2) There are fossil data, like points on a blank sheet of paper,
> > which can be connected. Surely, one can make predictions about the resulting
> > graph and the points in-between. However, is that theory or data fitting?
> >
> >
> >
> > 3) What does particular events in history have to do of how life
> > came into being and how one species becomes another.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please DEFINE what you mean by evolution otherwise we are wasting time,
> > something that is not done in science as exemplified by the well-defined
> > meaning of words and terms, say, like in physics.
> >
> >
> >
> > Moorad
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Michael Roberts [mailto:michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tue 8/21/2007 2:22 AM
> > To: Alexanian, Moorad; skrogh; asa@calvin.edu
> > Subject: Re: [asa] FYI: Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith -
> > is the new enemy of
> >
> >
> >
> > Very simple indeed.
> >
> > 1. Demonstrate that the earth is not millions of years old.
> >
> > 2. There is no fossil succession.
> >
> > 3. Dinosaurs in the Precambrian and humans in the Devonian.
> >
> > Do all that and evolution is dead in the water.
> >
> > In other words you must show historical geology to be false instead of
> > rabbiting on about forensic science which you have been doing for years.
> > You
> > seem to suffer from a form of invincible ignorance . I do wish you would
> > learn a little bit about science.
> >
> > Michael
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
> > To: "skrogh" <panterragroup@mindspring.com>; < asa@calvin.edu>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: [asa] FYI: Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith -
> > is
> > the new enemy of
> >
> >
> > > What would falsify the major tenets of evolutionary theory?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Moorad
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of skrogh
> > > Sent: Mon 8/20/2007 8:03 PM
> > > To: asa@calvin.edu
> > > Subject: RE: [asa] FYI: Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith -
> > is
> > > the new enemy of
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> > ]On
> > >> Behalf Of Alexanian, Moorad
> > >> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:17 PM
> > >> To: PvM
> > >> Cc: James Mahaffy; asa@calvin.edu
> > >> Subject: RE: [asa] FYI: Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith
> > -
> > >> is the new enemy of
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The very same points you make against ID can be similarly be made
> > >> against evolutionary theory. Just as design is an "observation
> > >> of fact", some may say that evolutionary theory is also an
> > >> observation of fact. However, neither observation of fact can be
> > >> incorporated into a theory in order to make predications. In
> > >> fact, the observation of design is more palpable and real than
> > >> the "observation" of common descent. The former is an obvious
> > >> observation of fact whereas the latter is a very tenuous
> > >> inference from presently existing facts.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Moorad
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > What would falsify ID?
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> > > 7:27 AM
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