Re: [asa] The Message

From: Vernon Jenkins <>
Date: Wed Aug 15 2007 - 17:25:35 EDT


All who look to Jesus for salvation will surely accept the words of the Apostle Paul, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;... " (Romans 3:23) - hence they will hardly be _insulted_ by my words. We're all in the same boat in this respect, are we not? I think it reasonable to believe that our fall, and attendant separation from God, must include an impairment in our mental faculties - if only because these are now biased against Him. So to claim - on the basis of what I've written - that I regard those who refuse to accept my thesis as _more sinful_ than others is completely without foundation.

I find the current situation admirably summed up in Britannica's definition of _cognitive dissonance_: it is "The mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information." However, I do not condemn a person for that unpleasant experience because, in other circumstances, I might well be a victim of the same.

Now, a little question for you. A short while ago you countered Peter's comment "Mythical Adam, literal Christ - doesn't add up" with the _OK button/Enter key_ metaphor. I gather, then, that you believe in a _mythical_ Adam. May I therefor inquire about his descendants - the Antediluvian Patriarchs - listed in Genesis 5. Are they also, in your view, mythical? And what about Adam's son, Abel, whom the Lord clearly supposed was a _real person_ (Mt.23:35, Lk.11:51)? Was the Lord misguided in his belief?


PS My eyes are no longer what they were, so for all further communication I would appreciate your using a larger font.


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Iain Strachan
  To: Vernon Jenkins
  Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] The Message

  Dear Vernon,

  In a previous post you asked:

  Thanks for these observations, Iain. However, you keep referring to my associating the non-acceptance of my findings with some acute form of 'wickedness' in the person concerned. I don't believe I've ever suggested that; it is most certainly completely foreign to my thinking. Possibly you have in mind something that I've expressed badly somewhere along the line?

  Well right here in your new web page is the kind of thing I meant:

  You wrote in "The Anatomy of a Miracle":

    a.. That there is a potentially fatal flaw in man's mental faculties!
    It manifests itself here as an immediate and adverse reaction to objective evidence that glorifies God, and is not detectable by the normal investigative techniques of psychology; invariably, its effect is to cause mankind to construct and live in a world of make-believe; to suppress questions relating to the deepest issues of life; and, at any price, to avoid facing up to the truth concerning the 'How?' and the 'Why?' of existence.

    In other words, (or so it seems to me) you seem to be saying that anyone who doesn't accept your claim of a "standing miracle" is mentally defective, and those of us trying to do objective science are living in a world of make-believe. I do think that most people on this list who read that paragraph are going to find it pretty insulting. You've got to accept that the reason people question your findings is because they are scientists & that's what scientists do, and you have to be prepared to respond to criticisms and questions rather than just make out that anyone who can't see it as a miracle must have a mental deficiency.


  On 8/14/07, Vernon Jenkins <> wrote:

    There is the suggestion in some quarters that while the 'standing miracle' of Genesis 1:1 may well be accepted as a communication from our Creator - specifically intended to target this generation - its content is indeterminate. My own view is that the information delivered is clear enough - as I explain in "The Message of the Miracle" -


  After the game, the King and the pawn go back in the same box.

  - Italian Proverb

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