Re: [asa] Designed Kangaroos?

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Date: Fri Aug 03 2007 - 19:31:31 EDT

When I get home again tonight, I'll make sure I didn't type the wrong date on
Augustine -- I tried to be careful about those. Anyway, as Gordon pointed out,
the date typed does correspond to an Augustine -- perhaps the difference was
lost on him. Thanks for pointing out all this. You're doing my research for
me. But I do maintain that nobody who writes a book is intelligent enough to
be wrong on absolutely every point. Grant's writing on the Voliva character may
not be so far off. At least it agrees with the characterization currently found
on Wikipedia (yes -- I know, that's a lazy man's "research", but it's all I have
time for today). Voliva is a far cry from the saints and popes of old, though.
 His example strikes much closer to home in that seems (to me) to be a modern
cousin of the recent YEC phenomenon. To call him an influential or archetypal
character on the order of either Augustine is beyond a stretch.


Quoting Michael Roberts <>:

> Noting Grant's other errors he cant even get his Augustines right!
> Aug d604 practiced cross-cultural mission and contextualised the Gospel for
> the Angles, both acute and obtuse.
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gordon brown" <gbrown@Colorado.EDU>
> To: "Merv" <>
> Cc: "Michael Roberts" <>; <>;
> "Ted Davis" <>; "Peter Loose" <>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [asa] Designed Kangaroos?
> > On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Merv wrote:
> >
> >>> From "Discarded Science" by John Grant beginning p. 30 following a
> >> discussion of what the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians believed.
> >>
> >> That these ideas were accepted is astonishing in light of the fact that
> >> as you travel north or south you see different starts come out at
> >> night --
> >> surely navigators such as the Babylonians /must/ have noticed this
> >> effect. Still, although the ancient Greeks, as we have now seen, were
> >> perfectly well aware that our world was a sphere, the flat-Earth idea
> >> survived. Martin Luther (1483-1546) and St. Augustine (d604) both
> >> insisted the Earth had to be flat, since otherwise people living on the
> >> underside wouldn't be able to witness Christ's descent on Judgment Day.
> >
> > I wonder which Augustine Mr. Grant had in mind. The Augustine that we
> > usually think of when we hear the name died in 430. The one that died in
> > 604 was, acccording to my dictionary, the first archbishop of Canterbury.
> >
> > Gordon Brown (ASA member)
> >
> >
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