Re: [asa] Designed Kangaroos?

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Date: Thu Aug 02 2007 - 18:59:21 EDT

The Luther -- flat earth assertion is in a recent book -- at least I'm almost
certain I read it here: "Discarded Science -- Ideas That Seemed Good At the
Time" by John Grant. Given some of the other things he proposed in there,
though, I wouldn't be surprised to find him totally mistaken. As I recall, I
didn't see any footnotes on his claim that Luther believed in a flat earth,
but it was a fascinating claim which I am sure has applied to somebody at some
time. Whether Luther or not, my point remains the same.

I do know the general falsehood of the claims that everyone in Columbus' time
thought the earth was flat -- which would make Luther a surprising exception
if it was true. You never know. I'll check the book again when I get home.


Quoting Michael Roberts <>:

> Merv wrote;
> Regarding Iain's concern, though, here is another actual historical event,
> Peter. The world is taken to be flat because of a way of interpreting a
> certain scripture. Martin Luther (I read recently -- but haven't
> verified --
> so you Luther experts please correct if necessary) apparently was adament in
> his view that the earth must be flat because if it wasn't then the return of
> Christ could not be witnessed by everyone on the globe simultaneously. This
> was, to him, a clear case of Scripture needing to prevail over "current
> wisdom". Now -- what happens when the evidence becomes overwhelming? What
> a
> tragedy if such a thing leads to loss of faith just because someone
> conflates
> their own understanding with Scripture itself! Or if the above example is a
> false about Luther, the point still stands -- just substitute the immoveable
> earth (supported by an straightforward reading of some psalms). The world
> does move -- so somebody either adjusts their understanding of Scripture or
> their faith is shaken. YECs today refuse to see any parallel here when they
> should. It's a dangerous road for faith. Peter, you will no doubt point
> out
> that letting science determine all Truth is also dangerous to faith. And I
> agree -- but that is only from science attempting to transcend its bounds to
> become Science with a capital 'S'. To ignore or defy science, though, is to
> court unnecessary danger, I think.
> Michael responds;
> I am not prepared to read all of Luther's works to prove that he did not
> believe in a flat earth, but at that time no educated person took the earth
> as anything but spherical and very very few theologians from 30AD accepted
> that the world was flat. This strikes me as an appalling case of ignorance
> on someone's part to suggest this.
> Luther is reported to be dismissive of Copernicus, but from a heliocentric
> standpoint which was the majority view in Luther's lifetime.
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