Re: [asa]The Barr letter( request for some resources)

From: <>
Date: Wed Jun 20 2007 - 16:56:52 EDT

Sorry for my lapse in communication. Here is quote of said passage for

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting
and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly
equipped for every good work. (NIV)

I wasn't taking this to mean that some particular hermeneutic or exegesis is
endorsed over others by this verse. I was only seeing it as a general claim
for the authority and usefulness of Scripture. I see authority here in the
general sense of Spiritual authority. I don't think it a proper exegesis to
try to turn Genesis 1,2 (or Leviticus passage you mention) into a specifically
empirical or scientific authority. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the
word "authority" at all. But I don't think that word should be limited to
just a scientific sense. I think Scripture is authoritative on a broader
ground than science. I was only responding to the assertion (quoted from
Barr, I think) that early Genesis was somehow not included as being as
authoritative (in a Spiritual sense) as other Scripture. Paul and Jesus both
base much of their argument on some of these passages -- which does support
their authority (but not, IMO, recent attempts to turn it into scientific

I also noted that YECs would vehemently disagree and say that it (all of it)
is authoritative in every sense of that word. (Note: that is not my


Quoting "D. F. Siemens, Jr." <>:

> Merv,
> What does II Tim. 3:16 say in defense of the history in the Bible? Also,
> if your view is right, then hares and hyrax chew their cud (Leviticus
> 11:5, 6; Deuteronomy 14:7). While you represent a popular recent
> viewpoint on inerrancy, Paul's claims are much more restricted. The
> confessions and catechisms reflect this narrower view.
> Dave
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:10:01 -0500 writes:
> > Quoting "D. F. Siemens, Jr." <>:
> >
> > > Merv,
> > > When you cite II Tim. 3:16, you do so carelessly. What part of the
> > verse
> > > gives factual authority to history, to science, to the like?
> >
> > None -- I'm not sure what you thought I was saying. The verse only
> > gives
> > authority to Scripture -- with no mention of history, science, etc
> > -- nor does
> > it deny those other things any authority, it is just silent on
> > those. My
> > point is that others are careless if they take early parts of
> > Genesis as being
> > excluded from Paul's reference here.
> >
> >

To unsubscribe, send a message to with
"unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message.
Received on Wed Jun 20 16:57:21 2007

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.8 : Wed Jun 20 2007 - 16:57:21 EDT