Re: [asa] Altruism and ID

From: Iain Strachan <>
Date: Sun Jun 17 2007 - 15:17:15 EDT


Clearly we're never going to agree on this one. Duh is downright insulting,
and you can't get out of it by cherry-picking quotes to support your view.

At the very least, use of the term implies that you think the person who has
just spoken is stupid, and hence is ad hominem.

I've just about had enough of your refusual to acknowledge this, or indeed
to engage in any reasoned discussion other than just to contradict me, or to
make insulting or snide comments such as **sigh** "Do you think that's an
argument?" etc etc.

From today I'm setting up a mail filter to put all your posts straight in
the trash folder so I don't have to put up with it any more. It is
absolutely clear that it is a complete waste of time trying to reason with


On 6/17/07, PvM <> wrote:
> On 6/17/07, Dave Wallace <> wrote:
> > Iain Strachan wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/16/07, *PvM* < <>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > Duh hardly is an insult,
> > >
> > >
> > > It is very much an insult. The generally accepted source of the
> > > expression (in my country at least) is that it imitates the sound made
> > > by someone who is mentally defective. In other words: "That's obvious,
> > > stupid!".
> >
> > Duh is an insult in Canada as well and I expect also in the North East
> > of the USofA as they tend to be culturally/linguistically very similar
> > to us.
> Again, I respectfully disagree, neither Duh nor calling ID
> scientifically vacuous is an insult. Perhaps
> <quote>Many other expressions in American English are synonyms of
> "duh." "Ya think?" and a sarcastically pronounced No way! are the most
> common.</quote>
> or Mirriam Webster can come to the rescue
> Pronunciation: 'd&, usually with prolonged &
> Function: interjection
> 1 -- used to express actual or feigned ignorance or stupidity
> 2 -- used derisively to indicate that something just stated is all too
> obvious or self-evident
> or "(used to express annoyance at banality, obviousness, or stupidity.)"
> >
> > Iain Strachan wrote:
> > To be told what I already know, that their ideas are "scientifically
> > vacuous" doesn't help. As Christians we should try and treat our
> > brothers and sisters with respect, not repeat ad nauseam derogatory
> > statements, however true they may be. Pim is preaching to the choir by
> > repeating this mantra as if every time he says it, that it will achieve
> > something. It will achieve absolutely nothing, because those of us who
> > agree will not be affected, and those who aren't in the same choir will
> > simply be antagonized and insulted.
> > </quote>
> > Actually even for those of us who agree with Pim it probably has a
> > negative impact as well. At times, I for one, simply stop reading a
> > note from Pim when I see him getting into that mode. Yes I know that
> > probably I will miss something worthwhile but the needle is hard to find
> > in the straw.
> Yes, even when knowing there is a needle, it may be hard to find the
> 'gem'. However, expressing the simple observation that ID is
> scientifically vacuous is neither insulting nor derogatory. While some
> may express a concern that this will affect how people receive this
> news, I find the claim that it is insulting overly simplistic.
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