Re: [asa] Altruism and ID

From: Iain Strachan <>
Date: Tue Jun 05 2007 - 03:02:19 EDT

Can't you give it a rest for even one day, Pim?

The vast majority of the people on this list don't accept ID, but many
of us have more respect that the incessant, broken-gramophone-record
refrain of your ID-is-scientifically-vacuous meme.

And before you shout "ad hominem" I would point out your
double-standards, in that you apparently cite with approval the
article by Chu-Carroll, which refers to "stupid creationist assholes".


On 6/5/07, PvM <> wrote:
> Compare
> <quote>Altruism, in contrast, has no matter or energy. It has no
> 'location', no weight, no dimension, no temperature. It has no
> properties of matter. Altruism entails things like purpose and
> judgment, which aren't material. Altruism has no parts, in the sense
> that there is a 'left-side' of altruism and a 'right side' of
> altruism. There are, of course, left sided and right sided parts of
> the brain, which may be associated with acts of altruism, but there is
> no 'left' or 'right' to altruism itself. Of course, objects (like
> human brains or bodies) that have location, weight, etc. can mediate
> or carry out altruistic acts, but the altruism itself doesn't have a
> location. Altruism isn't spatial. 'My altruism is three inches from
> the edge of the table' is a nonsensical statement.
> There is no shared property yet identified by science through which
> brain matter can cause mental acts like altruism. Material substances
> have mass and energy. Ideas have purpose and judgment. There is no
> commonality. The association between brain function and ideas is
> fascinating, and the association of ideas with regions of the brain is
> a proper object of scientific study. But where there is no commonality
> of properties, association cannot be causation. Ideas must be caused
> by substances that have properties common to ideas- such as purpose
> and judgment.
> </quote>
> with
> <quote>Activation of brain region predicts whether people will be
> selfish or altruistic. Research determines that altruistic behaviors
> are predictable.</quote>
> And wonder why people come to realize how scientifically vacuous ID really is.
> This argument of information has no mass or dimensions or altruism has
> no mass and energy shows how infantile the ID arguments have become.
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