Re: [asa] Brownback on evolution

From: David Clounch <>
Date: Sun Jun 03 2007 - 01:56:15 EDT


But by all means attack me personally instead of dealing with the issues
under discussion.
Make me the issue. Change the subject to a case we weren't talking about.
Then take my remarks, out of context, and inject them into that. Take what
someone else wrote, not what I wrote, and attribute it to me.

This is done for a reason. But it doesn't sound like the ASA members I know.

On 6/2/07, PvM <> wrote:
> <quote>David Clounch, of the US-based Intelligent Design Network, said
> ID had not been disproved and, therefore, it was a theory that should
> be taught to schoolchildren.</quote>
> From
> Is this you Dave? Did they quote you correctly?
> ID has not been disproven thus it should be taught. And yet, Newton
> was wrong to attribute the orbits of planets to a deity, and nothing
> happened to ID, after all, finding scientific answers for our
> ignorance hardly disproves our ignorance now does it? Ignorance will
> continue and ID will find solace in our inabilities to understand
> God's creation.
> But really, ID can hardly be seen as a scientific theory worth
> teaching to school children in a science class. Although I could
> potentially see some reasons why it may be taught in schools, after
> all we do still mention alchemy and witch craft I believe.
> David Clounch again
> <quote>"Are these people saying science has concluded there is no
> design? I think it's completely unscientific to draw that conclusion,"
> he said. "The plaintiffs want to tell everybody's kids if you believe
> there is design in the world, that's irrational and science doesn't
> say that. But science doesn't say anything about that.</quote>
> No these people are saying that 1) ID fails to be a science 2) forcing
> ID to be taught as such is fraught with religious problems, which run
> so deep that it may be impossible to disentangle them. Perhaps David
> is somewhat confused as to what the plaintiffs may believe? Is this
> the miscarriage of justice you are referring to?
> I believe Judge Jones' decision was one of great thought and care and
> he did both science, education and religion a favor by his ruling I
> believe.

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