Re: [asa] The Assault on Reason' in America

From: PvM <>
Date: Sat May 26 2007 - 16:09:26 EDT

A bit of a stretch but I understand where you are coming from. It's
unfortunate that some make libelous statements and have to retract
them. However I am not sure how this addresses the issue raised by
Gore. Why do we allow ourselves to be manipulated to the extent that
we become voices for irrationality?

Are you familiar with all the sides of the story? How have you reached
your conclusion about who is right and who is wrong?

Some other viewpoints may be helpful here

Or Tim Lambert at Deltoid

Or Eli Rabbett

Or Lancaster

Interesting how there are indeed two sides to every story.

However your conclusion seem to be unsupported. What manipulations of
science, what intimidation of scientists?

This may be an interesting excercise in how we may be unwittingly
serving as voices of unreason. Let's explore where this goes.

The Galleys

Fred Singer's deposition

Christa Beran's testimony (Revelle's secretary)

Very interesting reading indeed. Care to revise your comments?

On 5/26/07, Janice Matchett <> wrote:
> At 03:29 PM 5/26/2007, PvM wrote:
> "...pointing out how we are being manipulated is of significant relevance to
> understanding how we are not of 'free will'. .. She could address the real
> issues raised about how we are being manipulated.."
> @ Here ya go!
> "...This is a personal account linking efforts to suppress scientific
> publication about climate science and policy by then-Senator (later vice
> president) AlGore and his staff. 1 In those efforts, an individual working
> closely with Senator Gore and his staff made false and damaging statements
> about my behavior as a scientist. I filed a libel suit against the
> individual. The suit was settled when he issued a retraction and apology to
> me that included a statement that members of Senator Gore's staff had made
> "similar statements and insinuations" to those that he retracted.
> AlGore's disgraceful attempts to manipulate climate science and intimidate
> scientists go back at least to 1992."
> ~ Janice ... more of my long-ago post is here:

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