Re: [asa] Nature on Gonzalez Tenue

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Date: Fri May 25 2007 - 20:52:39 EDT

I think it is far worse than even this.  In their faculty petition they even made up their own definition for methodological naturalism, in which they basically discarded the qualifier "methodological" and described philosophical naturalism instead.  Strictly according to their definition, anyone who is not a philosophical naturalist (i.e., anyone who believes God did anything at all) cannot be a scientist.  But they dishonestly kept the word "methodological" in front of "naturalism" when they gave this definition.  Science was defined by the word "methodological" in front of "naturalism" for a reason, and they should know that!  Either they are being dishonest, playing a shell game to make people think that science is something that it never has been, or they are just ignorant anti-theists who don't understand science themselves, or they were being so zealous in their attempt to get at Gonzalez that they became sloppy and failed to notice what they were writing.

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From: David Clounch <>
To: David Opderbeck <>
Cc: Rich Blinne <>; ASA <>
Sent: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:48 am
Subject: Re: [asa] Nature on Gonzalez Tenue

I noticed that too.

I'd like to ask about the definition of ID contained in the Iowa State statement.
Where in the literature do ID advocates define ID that way?

I mean, if Iowa State disavows a view,  isn't it encumbent upon the institution to at least demonstrate that what they are disavowing actually exists?   Can that be done in this case?  Where, in any ID literature, does the claimed definition of Intelligent Design exist?

I suspect they may have made up their own definition, and are disagreeing with themselves.  Thats fine, but, why would a University participate in that? 

I could be wrong, perhaps the ID literature is chock full of the alleged definition of ID.
Does anybody here know?

David Clounch

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