Re: [asa] Nature on Gonzalez Tenue

From: David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
Date: Thu May 24 2007 - 12:35:36 EDT

Does anyone know why Robert Park was quoted? Is he famous in this field or
something? Why not quote someone in the field like Stephen Barr, who is a
theoretical physicist, who as far as I've read doesn't support the "strong"
ID paradigm, but who wrote a book and some essays similar to Gonzalez's?

On 5/24/07, drsyme@cablespeed.com <drsyme@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
> But remember that those quotes are from Robert Park who is
> at the university of Maryland College Park. That is just
> his understanding of course, and says nothing about what
> Iowa State faculty understand about ID.
>
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:48:08 -0500
> "David Clounch" <david.clounch@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I noticed that too.
> >
> > I'd like to ask about the definition of ID contained in
> >the Iowa State
> > statement.
> > Where in the literature do ID advocates define ID that
> >way?
> >
> > I mean, if Iowa State disavows a view, isn't it
> >encumbent upon the
> > institution to at least demonstrate that what they are
> >disavowing actually
> > exists? Can that be done in this case? Where, in any
> >ID literature, does
> > the claimed definition of Intelligent Design exist?
> >
> > I suspect they may have made up their own definition,
> >and are disagreeing
> > with themselves. Thats fine, but, why would a
> >University participate in
> > that?
> >
> > I could be wrong, perhaps the ID literature is chock
> >full of the alleged
> > definition of ID.
> > Does anybody here know?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David Clounch
> >
> >
> > On 5/24/07, David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> A couple of interesting points in this article:
> >>
> >> 1. This phrase: "*and he is a proponent of intelligent
> >>design, the idea
> >> that an intelligent force has shaped the Universe."*
> >>
> >> By this definition, *everyone* who has assented to the
> >>ASA's statement of
> >> beliefs is a "proponent of intelligent design,"
> >>regardless of whether he/she
> >> accepts the Behe/Dembski version of ID.
> >>
> >> 2. This statement: "*Anyone who believes that an
> >>intelligent force set
> >> the Earth's location doesn't understand probability's
> >>role in the Universe,
> >> Park argues. Such a person is hardly qualified to teach
> >>others about the
> >> scientific method. "We're entrusting the minds of our
> >>students to this
> >> person," he says" *
> >>
> >> According to this statement, *everyone* who has assented
> >>to the ASA's
> >> statement of beliefs does not understand the scientific
> >>method and is
> >> unqualified to teach students, regardless of whether
> >>he/she accepts the
> >> Behe/Dembski version of ID.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/23/07, Rich Blinne <rich.blinne@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Darwin sceptic says views cost tenure
> >> >
> >> > Geoff Brumfiel
> >> > Astronomer blames setback on his support of
> >>intelligent design.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > He's a young astronomer with dozens of articles in top
> >>journals; he has
> >> made an important discovery in the field of extrasolar
> >>planets; and he is a
> >> proponent of intelligent design, the idea that an
> >>intelligent force has
> >> shaped the Universe. It's that last fact that Guillermo
> >>Gonzalez thinks has
> >> cost him his tenure at Iowa State University.
> >> >
> >> > Gonzalez, who has been at Iowa State in Ames since
> >>2001, was denied
> >> tenure on 9 March. He is now appealing the decision on
> >>the grounds that his
> >> religious belief, not the quality of his science, was
> >>the basis for turning
> >> down his application. "I'm concerned my views on
> >>intelligent design were a
> >> factor," he says.
> >> >
> >> > Advocates of intelligent design are rallying behind
> >>Gonzalez in the
> >> latest example of what they say is blatant academic
> >>discrimination.
> >> "Academia seems to be in a rage about anything that
> >>points to any purpose,"
> >> says Michael Behe, a biochemist and prominent advocate
> >>of intelligent design
> >> at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. "They
> >>are penalizing an
> >> associate professor who's doing his job because he has
> >>views they disagree
> >> with."
> >> >
> >> > But other researchers think that the department's
> >>decision was entirely
> >> justified. "I would have voted to deny him tenure," says
> >>Robert Park, a
> >> physicist at the University of Maryland in College Park.
> >>"He has established
> >> that he does not understand the scientific process."
> >> >
> >> > Gonzalez's early career was far from controversial. He
> >>graduated with a
> >> PhD from the University of Washington, Seattle, in 1993
> >>and did a postdoc at
> >> the University of Texas in Austin. "He proved himself
> >>very quickly," says
> >> David Lambert, director of the university's MacDonald
> >>Observatory. He and
> >> Gonzalez co-authored several papers on variable stars,
> >>and Lambert says that
> >> while there, the young Cuban immigrant was an impressive
> >>scientist. "He is
> >> one of the best postdocs I have had," he says.
> >> >
> >> > In 1996, Gonzalez returned to the University of
> >>Washington to do his
> >> second postdoc, and again distinguished himself
> >>producing two papers1, 2
> >> that linked a star's metal content to the presence of
> >>extrasolar planets
> >> around it. The papers are still highly cited, and they
> >>have encouraged other
> >> researchers to search for planets around metal-rich
> >>stars.
> >> >
> >> > The 43-year-old astronomer is also a deeply religious
> >>evangelical
> >> Christian, and his faith has shaped his views on
> >>science. He considers
> >> himself a "sceptic" of Darwin, and says that his
> >>Christianity helps him to
> >> understand Earth's position in the Universe. "Our
> >>location in the Galaxy,
> >> which is optimized for habitability, is also the best
> >>place for doing
> >> cosmology and stellar astrophysics in the Galaxy," he
> >>says. In other words:
> >> "The Universe is designed for scientific discovery."
> >> >
> >> > Gonzalez refrained from mentioning his beliefs in his
> >>teaching and
> >> peer-reviewed works, but in 2004, he co-authored a book
> >>entitled The
> >> Privileged Planet, which included many of his pro-design
> >>arguments3. He has
> >> since travelled the country delivering talks that
> >>support the thesis of his
> >> book.
> >> >
> >> > His work did not go unnoticed at Iowa State. In 2005,
> >>Gonzalez's rising
> >> profile led a group of 131 faculty members to sign a
> >>petition disavowing
> >> intelligent design. "We were starting to see Iowa State
> >>mentioned as a place
> >> where intelligent-design research was happening," says
> >>Hector Avalos, a
> >> religious-studies professor who helped lead the
> >>signature drive. "We wanted
> >> to make sure that people knew the university does not
> >>support intelligent
> >> design." Avalos adds that they did not name Gonzalez
> >>directly, and he takes
> >> no position on the astronomer's tenure.
> >> >
> >> > Nevertheless, proponents of intelligent design point
> >>to the signature
> >> drive as evidence of a widespread academic hostility to
> >>those who support
> >> the idea. "There is a pattern happening to everybody
> >>who's pro intelligent
> >> design," says one pro-design biologist, who declined to
> >>be named because his
> >> own tenure process has just begun. "The same thing could
> >>happen to me," he
> >> says. "I don't want to get into trouble."
> >> >
> >> > But Park says that a researcher's views on intelligent
> >>design cannot be
> >> divorced from the tenure decision. Anyone who believes
> >>that an intelligent
> >> force set the Earth's location doesn't understand
> >>probability's role in the
> >> Universe, Park argues. Such a person is hardly qualified
> >>to teach others
> >> about the scientific method. "We're entrusting the minds
> >>of our students to
> >> this person," he says.
> >> >
> >> > But not all scientists agree. "Nothing I have seen in
> >>his refereed
> >> papers leads me to believe his beliefs are impinging on
> >>his science," says
> >> David Lambert. "I would have said he was a serious
> >>tenure candidate."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Eli Rosenberg, who chairs Iowa State's physics
> >>department, concedes that
> >> Gonzalez's belief in intelligent design did come up
> >>during the tenure
> >> process. "I'd be a fool if I said it was not
> >>[discussed]," he says. But, he
> >> adds, "intelligent design was not a major or even a big
> >>factor in this
> >> decision." Four of twelve tenure candidates have been
> >>turned down in the
> >> past decade, he says. "We are a fairly hard-nosed
> >>department."
> >> >
> >> > Iowa State's president Gregory Geoffroy is now
> >>reviewing Gonzalez's
> >> appeal. He has until 6 June to make his final decision.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

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